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Major win for Labour Women's Declaration

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fromorbit · 19/05/2022 01:20

Major Development Starmer has finally agreed to talk to Labour Women's Declaration and listen to their concerns after women talked to him at The Labour Women's Network Gala Dinner. If he sticks with this this means the era of No debate in Labour is totally over.

This looks to be a big win for women and owes everything to those who spent years on this and especially everyone who argued with canvassers about RespectmyX. Starmer can't have missed the pressure. Your voices were heard! You all changed the course of the second most powerful party in the UK.

See this tweet from Joan Smith earlier in the evening: twitter.com/polblonde/status/1527010428764704768

Later Details from LWD Here:
twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1527018832229015553

This doesn't mean Starmer or others are going to do what LWD will say or they can be trusted. Nothing can be taken for granted. What happens going forward as always relies on how strong and how loud those who back women's sex based rights in the party are. Lots of battles ahead.

What it does potentially mean is we have a chance for Open Debate at all levels of the party via leadership endorsement and it will be a game changer. Gender Crits may get a proper chance to be heard, but we will be fighting to win support. Have no doubt it would be a vicious long battle like any policy debate inside Labour. However given what LWD has achieved so far you would be foolish to think that these great women and their supporters inside and beyond the party can't pull it off. Especially as the news of Starmer simply talking to LWD may inspire mass resignations from those opposing us. Debating reality openly is not their strong point.

This is the start of a bigger struggle, but a great achievement. I know many reading this will not be ready to trust Labour again and you shouldn't be without proof.

What you should trust though is the strength of Labour women to try to make a difference in the party, it isn't the first time they have had to fight through sexist nonsense, and nothing is going to make them give up.

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Alltheprettyseahorses · 19/05/2022 07:58

Good, I hope you're successful. However, like other PPs I won't trust Labour again. It's not in my interests and frankly I don't care about it and why should I? I'd prefer it to be replaced with a new political party.

Noisyprat · 19/05/2022 07:54

The problem is that they have said such extreme things, like Nandy saying a child rapist should be housed in womens prison if he says he is a woman and Lamy saying not only women have a cervix, that they are going to have to say that they were wrong and retract. I dont believe they will do this, they will be mealy mouthed and expect women to just 'be kind'.

FloraGreysteel · 19/05/2022 07:12

Maude is right. Don't get your hopes up.

MaudeYoung · 19/05/2022 06:53

I wouldn't trust Labour now on any grounds. Don't forget it was Labour who wrote, defended and passed the Gender Recognition Act in 2004. It was Labour who created, defended and passed the Equality Act 2010. (IIRC both laws were passed on 3 line whips.) Both laws are badly written and full of holes because they gave so very little consideration to how their laws would impact on women and children.

It will take much more for me to consider voting for Labour again.

PatsArrow · 19/05/2022 06:44

Positive news, however until they publicity declare that they will U-turn on Self ID then I'm holding back.

Starmer, Rayner, Lammy, Nandy and many others have been so vocal about how they would proudly bring in Self-ID.....I just won't believe it.until they officially declare it.

tabbycatstripy · 19/05/2022 06:27

I’m not holding my breath, tbh.

NumberTheory · 19/05/2022 03:33

Fantastic news, from. It would be great to feel like there was someone I could vote for again.

Igmum · 19/05/2022 02:09

Yes! This is such good news. I've been unable to vote Labour because of their position on this. Really hope this means the start of sane politics with women's rights respected.

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