Major win for Labour Women's Declaration

Me neither. How disgusting that he wouldn't engage before now. I would love to know who has paid all the leftwing parties off.

Well done, I know it has taken a lot of persistence to get this far. Its one step forward in what is going to be a very long haul. Good luck with the meeting.

Good. We want ‘women are a distinct biological class’ to become the mainstream political position. It doesn’t need to be a battleground! It is just common sense.

I agree with others - Labour has a lot of rowing back to do on this. However, we need to make it as easy as possible for them to do this (or make it untenable for them not to!)

Parliament can, and has, passed daft laws and nothing women do in the Labour Party will change that. Taken to it's logical conclusion women should join the conservative party and work within that to make it more human, because that is the party that is not only currently controlling legislation but likely to go on doing so.

Labour will only change if Starmer thinks it will lose him an election and joining labour wont do that. I do admire the women who will stay and fight for labour but it's become a party totally divorced from reality with no real interest in being re-elected.

Me too.
They have a golden bridge to tiptoe across before I will waste my vote on a party silent in the face of the catastrophe happening to children in the grip of this ideology and the removal of the fundamental rights of women to safety, privacy, sport and the rest.

But thank you to all those Labour Women - I do not want to spoil my vote at another election.

There is no new party magically coming to save us. That means fighting to reclaim the parties that already exist by supporting MPs, Councillors, Lords who can see reality and will fight for it

This.

For Labour to regain any credibility on this then quite a lot of the top tier are going to have to explain how and why they spent the last few years proclaiming their belief in utterly batshit mental ideas and how, given that, they expect to be taken seriously on anything at all in the future. Labour are, and remain, fucked.

Yes this.

Go on Starmer, make a fuss about male rapists in women's prisons or males in women's sports or the recent issue about the schoolgirl bullied out of a school. DO something that shows you give the tiniest flying fuck about women's and children's rights.

I won't hold my breath.

I have huge respect for the women plugging away in the Labour party but it would take a lot for me to vote Labour ever again. I just don't trust them. I trust Boris more than them and that tells you a lot (I don't trust Boris).

Mmn. Actions, not words. Heard a lot of very pretty words. Had so much word salad I'm choking on it.

Stop talking and do something Starmer.

I voted Labour in 2019 as I had all my adult life. I did so in good faith because in their manifesto they had pledged to honour single sex spaces. From what I have seen and heard since then I can only conclude they were crossing their fingers behind their back when they spoke, and that what they really meant by 'single sex' was single gender.

So next time they make a pronouncement, I want to see their hands.

That's all.

I'm with you OP. Tory is certainly not an alternative for women.

If we are to have any hope of winning this we have to maximise on ANY opportunity, not look at possible opportunities and just say ' nah, its all hopeless innit, they are bastards anyway.'

Personally I am going to write to Keir Starmer and my Labour MP to say how pleased I about this and would love to rejoin the Labour party and stop having to tactically vote Conservative if they can start centring women's rights and safeguarding again.

There is no point in me re-examining my position on voting unless more than words come out of this, too much has happened.

I doubt very much they can turn themselves around in time for the next election. I appreciate the women fighting this from the inside but there is a long way to go before I can trust Labour. It shouldn't be a major win just to speak to politicians. They chose to ignore women and avoid conflict. They are still cowards in my mind.

Starmer looks to me to be nearly done, anway. Who's next, Streeting?

Well, we all know what group he was part of.

They picked a side and it wasn't women. the women bullied out of the party, the women bullied still in the party, the ridiculous sexist statements, the slogan chanting...Nah, can't trust any one of them. The only reason they are stopping and considering women's rights and safeguarding is votes.

All those tweets from women who've written and emailed, no replies. I could forgive one or two being missed but all of them? If it's him ignoring them he's a coward. If he genuinely hasn't seen any then it seems whoever handles his post is filtering them out. If I were him I'd want to know what's going on, what else is being kept from me and I'd be making changes to my staff.

Good news though, well done LWD, but not holding my breath.

Great work from the LWD team. I agree that it's going to take massive root and branch change for me to ever even consider trusting Labour.

I completely agree with Floisme. All respect for those women, but I'm not convinced anything will change.

I have huge respect for the Labour Women's Declaration. They are braver and more tenacious than I am. I wish them the very best. I really mean that - I didn't enjoy spoiling my vote the other week.

Sorry but that's all I've got right now.

Wait for the tantrums to start, the "disappointment", the pressure not to meet such a "hate group" and just watch him back out. I hope I'm proven wrong but won't hold my breath. And like others it'll take a complete u-turn on self ID for me to even begin contemplating whether they're worth my vote. And even then I'd need to see a hell of a lot more action.

What will be most interesting to me is how he will react to the inevitable outbursts by gender identity proponents, the cries of transphobia and the hyperbole. I'm assuming that, being a penis person, he won't get the rape and death threats reserved for Rosie Duffield. JKR et al.

He has just restated Labour's current policy?

Depends on whether he is going to listen and take action or if this is just window dressing pretence, doesnt it. Actions speak louder than words and he has stood by and done nothing so far.

There is a by election coming up, the local election results were not good enough - I see this this as a window dressing fob off. Lets see some real action, Kier. He needs to say loudly and clearly that there is a conflict of rights, that women need safe spaces, that the Labour party has been wrong to support no debate and to apologise for that.

To present the leader of the opposition being willing to listen to concerns affecting women as a "major win" simply shows how for Labour have to go before they deserve a vote. It is absolutely disgusting that a politician has NOT listened before.