Got referred to as them/they at work today

To be fair to the pp, if she's had to go through training from LGBTYouth she will have been given the very hard sell about all these ideas, without space for dissenting voices I would imagine.

You are getting you info from? [sic]

I am getting my information about what 'assign' means from my knowledge of the English language, backed up by the Oxford English Dictionary. Just because TRAs have decided to make up their own meanings for things, that doesn't make them correct.

I'm not sure if you missed sex education, but your chromosomes do. If its the doctor at birth, would you like to explain to me how people know thyre having a girl or boy?

Your chromosomes dictate whether you are male or female, yes. Nobody assigns you male or female. The doctor does not assign your sex (or gender, the doctor observes your sex.

Btw, gender is not assigned at birth. If a TRA has claimed this, they're talking nonsense.

Of course gender isn't assigned at birth. Gender is just a bunch of stereotypes. So, when TRAs talk about someone being 'assigned male at birth', they are talking nonsense either way then? Sex is observed, not assigned. And gender is not assigned.

I completed my LGBTY Scotland training in schools earlier last week. So I'm well aware what these terms mean.

That does the opposite of lending weight to your points, I'm afraid, if what I've heard about these kinds of training scheme is anything to go by.

Somehow, it’s become mainstream for everyone’s sex to now be described as “assigned at birth”.

Somehow. 😏

Sorry for not being clear (bit sleep deprived). Yes, the word “assigned” in this context is used by TRAs to imply that sex is somehow imposed on an individual at birth. I might be wrong but think it was originally used when describing how people with DSDs were wrongly thought to be the opposite sex based on the appearance of genitals at birth, thus having the wrong sex “assigned” to them. Somehow, it’s become mainstream for everyone’s sex to now be described as “assigned at birth”.

Oh Sorry, just seems it’s for someone else. 😊

Was this for me? If so, I’m aware of who wants to push this term, but it’s not a correct one.

Ah, right. Unfortunately it's been adopted by other organisations which should know better too.

I agree Errol. Was just trying to point Stop to sources she might trust as she was seemed to be unaware that “sex assigned at birth” was commonly used by LGBTQ organisations

This thread is unreadable because of the nested quotes thing. Shame as I think I would have found it interesting.

Just because a word is commonly used wrongly doesn't make it right.

Sex is determined at conception and observed at birth (or before, thanks to scans, amniocentesis etc... my daughters chromosomes had been checked before birth)

Are you telling me your sex isnt assigned at conception? are you under the impression you live as a sexless being until you are born?

No, it's determined at conception.
The various definitions of 'Assign' imply an act of will, someone deliberately making an assignation. 'Assign' simply isn't the right word for the result of a sperm carrying an x rather than a Y chromosome fertilising an ovum.
This may seem pedantic to you, but in the world of people idiotically talking about 'gender being assigned at birth' , words matter. It's not at birth, and it's not 'assigned'.

If you Google “sex assigned at birth” you’ll find lots of sources explaining what it means and demonstrating that this is a commonly used term these days.

Can you explain how someone knows they are hcing a boy before the birth?
is this a serious question? I've lost a baby before the end of the first trimester, the doctors who tested to determine a cause still knew exactly what sex the baby was (I asked not to be told).

Observing genitals on a scan or observing chromosomes on more invasive procedures. Nothing being assigned.

Many kids are scared to state facts, some that do get shouted down as transphobic. Many feel forced into announcing pronouns. I know a headteacher that’s tied themselves up in knots over a biology lesson on puberty...that table the kids learn about what boys and girls experience whilst going through puberty. Hilarious to see but it just shows how messed up it all is. Clubs for LGBT at lunchtime where gay children have been made to feel unwelcome and called transphobic for not wanting to date members of the club that are trans. Dreadful times for our children.

ugh get a life love honestly

Can you explain how someone knows they are hcing a boy before the birth?

"kids cant state biological facts"
ignorance passed by adults.

You are very ignorant that is clear to see.

Sex is observed at birth. It’s there to see. Biology and all that innit. 🤓Your sex depends on how chromosomes combine.

You agree that sex based pronouns work for most, therefore it makes sense and is most efficient for the small number of others wishing to use other pronouns to let others know. I’m very happy to use whatever anyone would like me to.

People can’t know my gender I’m afraid, as I don’t have one. So that puts us in a bit of a pickle. My sex is female and I use sex based pronouns.

Lots of people do agree with me.

You don’t know what I have to cry about? well a world in which kids can’t state biological facts in case they’re called transphobic is quite sad. But no I won’t cry, I just laugh at the ridiculousness.

Sex matters, sex is real. Without sex the concept of trans wouldn’t exist.

Pardon me? sex isnt assigned?
Dictionary definition
attribute something as belonging to.

Are you telling me your sex isnt assigned at conception? are you under the impression you live as a sexless being until you are born?

Sex based is appliable to most, you are quite right.

however for trans........IT ISN'T. IT ISNT SEX BASED FOR TRANS. THATS WHAT TRAS IS.

It's ridiculous you claim the pronouns should be respected in which case you dont seem to understand what pronouns even are. THEY DONT WANT TO KNOW YOUR SEX. THEY WANT TO KNOW YOUR GENDER.

the fact you dont buy into gender unfortunately doesnt make you the queen, and heres a shocking fact.

People dont agree with you.

I dont know what youve got to cry about, with views like that.

No, no it doesnt.

I was 'assigned' someone for secret santa last year using a bloody automated machine. I was 'assigned' a number from bloody ARGOS for an order.

I'm not sure if you missed sex education, but your chromosomes do.
If its the doctor at birth, would you like to explain to me how people know thyre having a girl or boy?

Btw, gender is not assigned at birth. If a TRA has claimed this, they're talking nonsense.

The rest of your post is absolute bollocks.

I completed my LGBTY Scotland training in schools earlier last week. So I'm well aware what these terms mean.

You are getting you info from?

yeah, thats what im trying to do.

No. (in case, as it appears, you're daft enough to think im being serious).

My point was..........

a PP claimed a person cant possibly know themselves at 13.

So when can they?

If they cant by 16 (where they can have sex or vote, so one would assume they know themselves) when?

PRONOUNS ARE NOT SEX BASED.

APologies for the shouting.

Would she though? would she? if she was a trans in hiding (who could blame them) and didnt want to share it with the whole offfice, most of whom, given covid, she hasnt met!

I cant imagine why someone might think that a bunch of strangers would ridicule them.

God. Nothing useful to add at all, but I'm glad I don't have a job if it means having to encounter all this pronoun bollocks.

@stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou you can have sex and vote at 16, so does all of the self realisation happen on the 11th hour of your 15th year?

Are......are you trying to justify paedophilia?????? WTAF

Your sex was assigned to you at the moment you were conceived!! If you're going to be obtuse, at least learn the terms!

It's you who needs to learn the terms. You don't appear to understand what the word 'assign' means. It means to deliberately allocate or transfer (usually for a purpose). Nobody 'assigns' a sex to a person, any more than they 'assign' skin colour, eye colour or any other genetic characteristics.

To say a doctor assigns your sex at birth would mean the doctor was choosing/allocating a sex for you. Who do you think is choosing people's sex at conception? God?

Trans rights activists talk about assigning gender (not sex) at birth - by which they seem to mean that when a doctor notes that a baby is a girl, what the doctor means is 'this is a girly human who will like pink, glitter, unicorns and pillow fights'. Rather than what the doctor actually means, which is 'This baby is a biological female'.

😂😂😂

Thd OP is only ‘moaning‘ because people have not defaulted to sex based pronouns. It’s crazy that her workplace hasn’t when sex based pronouns apply to almost everyone. And if OP wanted different pronouns, including ‘they’, then OP would have replied to the mail.