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Owen. Not getting it or goady? Sometimes it’s hard to tell.

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viques · 17/05/2022 14:05

Article in the Guardian about why homophobia against straight men needs to be addressed. Apparently straight men are at risk of homophobic abuse if they “violate the boundaries of masculinity”, which according to Owen include, being kind and empathetic and “ by not objectifying women or treating them as equals”. Blimey, that will put the frighteners on the guardian readership even faster than news that quinoa is in short supply.

He also challenges ( if that is the word) “perceptive discrimination” when people are treated unfairly on the grounds that they are ‘perceived’ to have a protected characteristic, he gives as an example Sikh men( not, you notice Sikh women, or even Sikh people) who are abused because they are perceived to be Muslim. Not sure where “perceptive discrimination” leaves women, but am pretty sure it is low down on the pecking order as usual, though also in todays guardian interestingly enough is an article by a transwoman who is apparently astonished at the unwarranted verbal sexual harassment she gets, which apparently didn’t happen at all when she wasn’t a transwoman. Maybe she ought to get together with Owen for support.

Anyway good to know that straight men have such a champion in their midst. I hope they can all breathe a little easier knowing that OJ is on their side. He has done such amazing things for gay and transitioning men after all.

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tabbycatstripy · 17/05/2022 15:29

(To be clear, OJ has a vested interest - in my opinion - in trying to pretend that female people and gay men experience the same prejudices. Which I don’t agree with.)

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 17/05/2022 15:28

I think he is just getting paid by the word.

tabbycatstripy · 17/05/2022 15:28

‘I think he's just pointing out that straight males that don't conform to gender stereotypes get picked on, same as non conforming females.’

They do but it’s not misogyny. Misogyny extends beyond gender to the female body.

tabbycatstripy · 17/05/2022 15:27

Sorry, Noble, is that what you think or OJ?

BigFatLiar · 17/05/2022 15:27

I think he's just pointing out that straight males that don't conform to gender stereotypes get picked on, same as non conforming females.

noblegiraffe · 17/05/2022 15:21

The real problem is appearing feminine. Not being female. Men can therefore experience misogyny too.

tabbycatstripy · 17/05/2022 14:25

He’s trying to create a ‘straight men’ v ‘everyone else’ divide, so he can equate homophobia with misogyny and make out that female people are not a group that needs political recognition.