Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’

Seriously?!

Nici HB whose tweet suggesting this poor girl is a nazi that @ScreamingMeMe has posted is a model for Boots No 7.

Stonewall must be so proud of their little champions. They showed the way through the persecution of Dr. Stock who got no support from her employers or authorities. Here it is happening to a schoolgirl and she also was not supported, neither by staff or by her LEA or a government which appears to turn a blind eye to this issue.
They are all cowardly and impotent in the face of absurdity.

This account of mob bullying and the teaching body's lack of response is of no surprise to me at all. Mine and my child's own experiences have left me with a cold feeling of dread about where all this is headed. I've told my child to keep their head down and concentrate on their work and lessons, they'll be out of their soon enough.

It's the same at my DDs school. Which has a very high number of Muslim students - so there is a clear clash of beliefs right there as I know for a fact the parents would not accept mixed sex toilets but of course whether we'd be told is in question. Problem is, none of the parents want to speak up for fear their child will be targeted just as this girl was.

This story is bad enough - though not surprising - but something worse is going to happen unless teachers start to be held to account for pushing a political ideology and allowing bullying to go unchecked if its in the name of said political ideology.

I would donate 100s of pounds to any legal action this girl wishes to take.

A child should not be bullied out of her school and have her education forcibly disrupted because she believes in biology FFS.

This.

There is literally no other debate I can think of where the adults - responsible for safeguarding this child (which they failed at and should be reported) - would bow to mob rule. They allowed a child to be bullied to the point of hyperventilating and them feeling they had to put her in the library for her own safety (so punishing the victim there) and ultimately allowing her to be hounded from the school.

This child has been bullied out of that school in the middle of her A-levels - this bullying was sanctioned and aided by the adults in charge. Her mental health has clearly been damaged, as well as her belief in critical thinking and free speech and justice.

The teachers who allowed this to happen should be held to account.

Appalling.

I also disagree that it will harm that student having this come out - it might harm the other students and the school. The student herself no doubt will gain some comfort from the fact that thousands upon thousands of women agree with her and that it's obvious to anyone who isn't a bully that she didn't do anything wrong. She also spoke to the Times, which suggests she is not against this story coming out.

Quote from the article:
"The girl told The Times that she would have completed her A-levels at the school had it not been for the incident in October. “It made me think I was mad,” she said. “Otherwise how could people turn on me so bitterly?”"

Hopefully having JKR supporting her and so many, many others will make her understand that she really isn't mad.

She should not have been forced out of her school.

I think it's performative to attain acceptance, adulation and 'likes' from their peers and they feed off each other. It's self perpetuating. It needs sorting out and unwinding, I thought it seemed to be tailing off but looks like no such luck..

What standards? I have been puzzling for while to account for the sheer vitriol and out right hatred some of these trans rights nutters display. It only makes sense to me if you would regard yourself as completely right and the other lot as completely wrong-wrong in the sense of being actual Nazi's in which case the need for common courtesy and decency not only goes out of the window but you are now under an obligation to be as horrible as possible. Suppose you were wandering round Berchtesgaden with a sniper rifle and a crystal ball circa 1938-you would take a pot shot at Hitler. wouldn't you?

I’m really fucked off with all the GC=Nazi shit. It’s dehumanising. If someone is named a Nazi (on whatever spurious evidence) then they are fair game for bullying/ harassment/ violence. And I think the Nazi designation is what Judith Butler would call a “speech act”- because something or someone has been given a name, they literally become that thing in the minds of those around them. (Lord knows if I’ve got that right, Butler has such a non-committal way of writing)

GCs aren’t denying the 60 girls the right to free speech. I for one would merely encourage them to engage in reasonable debate, one on one, rather than orchestrating a physical pile on.

Some of the comments under his post are horrific. I shouldn't be surprised but still, the vehemence and spite. Numbers of posters saying it's an invented lie, despite the fact that the Times article clearly says that they spoke directly to the girl and a teacher at the school. Then there are the posters who are gleefully saying that the girl deserved to be surrounded, shouted at and spit at because what she said was as bad as being a Nazi ffs.

The girl in question sounds incredibly articulate and intelligent from the quotes in the article. I really hope she's getting good support and will be able to sit her exams without additional stress.

Lil OJ trying to get hold of ‘the other side of the story’ and have the school named in the press. That would put this young woman in danger. Very poor form.

There is no way on earth he doesn't know he would be harming an-already traumatised teenager. Presumably he thinks she deserves it. That's low even by his standards.

Lil OJ trying to get hold of ‘the other side of the story’ and have the school named in the press. That would put this young woman in danger. Very poor form.

I doubt he cares.

Some TRA madness for you.

She said trans people don’t have basic human rights in this country.

The adults feeding these outrageous lies to gullible, ignorant teenagers should be held accountable. I hope this woman is eventually named and shamed, if it's ever possible to do so without harming the girl at the centre of this story.

Bloody hell. I'm very sorry to hear this.

The Times article is by Nicola Woolcock, Education Editor.

The school failed by not disciplining the bullies.

I bet this has happened elsewhere and if it has not it soon will.

I notice Matt Chorley has the Education Secretary on his radio show this week and is asking on twitter for question people want to ask him. I am not anonymous on twitter. If anyone else want to ask what proactively the education department is doing to protect girls, and those of either sex with gender critical views. And why he think transgirls should keep girls waiting whilst they change for PE (he said let transgirls use the girls' changing rooms firs ton their own - whilst girls stand around waiting presumably!)

twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1526210354694479873

"Exam question: what should be done about exam questions?
Or any other aspect of education?
What would you ask education secretary Nadim Zahawi?"

The show is on Friday.

The school didn't just invite one speaker, apparently they also had an earlier visit from Mermaids and they knew students picked up on that. If the school only invite one side in, if the adults accept that there are no other legitimate views worth listening to, then why would the pupils think any differently?

OMG overheard not overhead and there not their obvs!

At my child's outstanding secondary all teachers I have been in contact with have pronouns in their bio. Trans ideology is taught - in RS - of all places, as fact - much hyperbole about bathroom bills and TW being the most marginalised, "cis" used as a matter of course. I approached a senior member of staff who I had previously had a great relationship with and had a fairly straightforward, non heated and what I hoped was productive convo about my concerns. It was left there. That teacher has since distanced herself from my child, who is disabled, to the point that my child sadly told me "I really don't think Miss … likes me anymore, she never says hello like she used to or even smiles at me now". My child recounts overhead conversations where students talk of calling social services on the parents of N/B & Trans students because they're not being caring or accepting enough.

This account of mob bullying and the teaching body's lack of response is of no surprise to me at all. Mine and my child's own experiences have left me with a cold feeling of dread about where all this is headed. I've told my child to keep their head down and concentrate on their work and lessons, they'll be out of their soon enough.

The school don't seem to have made any effort to get speakers who might have presented a different view. They just seem to have accepted that anyone with other views must be the equivalent of racists (etc) and unworthy of being invited. They could have invited, say, Baroness Nicolson. And insisted on respect for all their speakers.

Lil OJ trying to get hold of ‘the other side of the story’ and have the school named in the press. That would put this young woman in danger. Very poor form.

Also I ment to say - I grew up in a world where the ACLU defended the right of KKK members to free speech. Today they are quite happy to ban books and will not defend people who have the "wrong" ideas.

The basis of liberal democratic thought has been thoughouly expunged from the worldview of these kids.

JKR has tweeted about this today:

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1526510094619377664?s=21

I can't read the replies, same with any of her tweets, such misguided people come crawling out of the woodwork.

Thank you @myelephant , you've put into words what I've been trying to articulate as I go to bat against our so-called inclusion policies at work.

I think part of the difficulty with this, which is absolutely true, is that they are being trained this way with regard to all social and political controversies, not just gender ideology. Their whole education has had a significant focus on what they'd probably call social justice, not as a discourse or a set of arguments or even principles that need to be justified, but as a set of unquestionable pronouncements that are self-evident to anyone who isn't actually evil.

I'm not sure how you undo that kind of training.