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Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’

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ResisterRex · 17/05/2022 05:37

This seems to be a clear failure on the part of all adults involved, if what's reported here is accurate:

Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/50aac934-d539-11ec-8585-951ab3afb4d2?shareToken=d55c6d8482ff6dde48eb9c33de693f54

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Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 19/05/2022 18:33

And yet still The Guardian employ him. It’s almost like they don’t give a fuck about women & girls

oh wait!

Clymene · 19/05/2022 17:37

Jones is despicable

Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’
Mandodari · 19/05/2022 09:40

Jones is doubling down on his tweet, claiming journalistic integrity and still making out that the story is fake. He really is an obnoxious little twerp.

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 19/05/2022 08:30

@FannyCann unlikely to be Hunt, funnily enough she tends to stay away from trans issues in the lords

I think more likely to be a Lib Dem peer

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/05/2022 08:24

It struck me that LOJ's call out on Twitter for the "other side" was adding to the bullying. His tweets cast doubt on the girl's story.

Julie Bindel says she has been in touch with the girl and she considers she is now being bullied by Jones.

Slothtoes · 19/05/2022 07:13

www.ipso.co.uk/complain/ ?
NUJ complaints?

Definitely journalists shouldn’t wade into stuff publicly regarding individual kids in schools. That’s not how journalism is done, making ‘investigative’ shout outs on Twitter that could exacerbate problems.

FannyCann · 19/05/2022 07:08

Zahawi needs to have a word with the invited speaker from the House of Lords. Any guesses who that might have been? Ruth Hunt perhaps?

GoodThinkingMax · 19/05/2022 02:33

tabbycatstripy · 17/05/2022 13:57

Lil OJ trying to get hold of ‘the other side of the story’ and have the school named in the press. That would put this young woman in danger. Very poor form.

It struck me that LOJ's call out on Twitter for the "other side" was adding to the bullying. His tweets cast doubt on the girl's story.

So much for "We believe you"

GoodThinkingMax · 19/05/2022 02:14

rogdmum · 17/05/2022 06:39

The story was first published by TransgenderTrend here:

www.transgendertrend.com/transgender-ideology-in-schools/

It sounds as though the girl is in the middle of studying for exams and I would guess does not want to be identified.

Yes, that was my recollection. I'm glad the mainstream press has picked it up. Verification must be a dilemma for the whistleblower and the newspaper - this is a young girl whose life has already been overturned by outrageous bullying. From the Transgender TRend blog post, I inferred that she'd dropped out of school before her A Levels. THat is pretty catastrophic, particularly if it's, for example, one of the high-pressure LOndon girls' day schools.

Slothtoes · 19/05/2022 01:44

Excellent leader in the Times: ‘Unkind Conduct’
Thank you for the share token ResisterRex.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/05/2022 00:12

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 18/05/2022 23:04

So much for RMW's earlier claims then..

I'm sure the RMW will apologise unreservedly for any distress occasioned to the young woman at the heart of this story. RMW might even reflect privately on the matter and resolve to Learn Lessons and to both Do Better and Be Better from now on.

Indeed. Do trans activists ever apologise for accusing women and girls of lying about bullying and sexual abuse?

The Times have a further story today:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1ce36364-d6d7-11ec-8585-951ab3afb4d2?shareToken=c8f74e130e084003cf273c72f36b0eb5

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 18/05/2022 23:04

So much for RMW's earlier claims then..

I'm sure the RMW will apologise unreservedly for any distress occasioned to the young woman at the heart of this story. RMW might even reflect privately on the matter and resolve to Learn Lessons and to both Do Better and Be Better from now on.

TheBiologyStupid · 18/05/2022 22:57

ResisterRex · 18/05/2022 22:45

Time stamp on this is 9pm so must be in tomorrow's paper:

The Times view on a girl bullied for questioning trans views: Unkind Conduct

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/76b8211a-d6b7-11ec-bb99-1bcd45646516?shareToken=738bf4f221bf19751911e134df746995

So much for RMW's earlier claims then... (Hoping that her efforts in Allison's tribunal are equally effective.)

ResisterRex · 18/05/2022 22:45

Time stamp on this is 9pm so must be in tomorrow's paper:

The Times view on a girl bullied for questioning trans views: Unkind Conduct

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/76b8211a-d6b7-11ec-bb99-1bcd45646516?shareToken=738bf4f221bf19751911e134df746995

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ResisterRex · 18/05/2022 22:12

Also I would say that just because the school is apparently named elsewhere (I've not looked but I believe it has been from posts) doesn't mean we should do it here. It's not right.

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ResisterRex · 18/05/2022 22:10

Clip of Zahawi saying he's concerned, would like to hear from the girl and any whistleblowers:

mobile.twitter.com/TheNewsDesk/status/1527006596345249792?cxt=HHwWgICyjZaagrEqAAAA

Unlike in his Times interview, he doesn't say "trans child" (I think?) but is more in the "struggling with identity" kind of choice of words. More neutral in that respect.

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LondonWolf · 18/05/2022 20:20

I obviously don't want anyone to name the school on here but I'm puzzled as to how they worked it out.

It's right there on her Twitter. Took me less than a minute.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/05/2022 19:40

I'm not going to name the school, obviously, but it didn't take more than a cursory search of the Twitter feed of the person who claims to have a daughter at the school and is mentioned above. Intriguing to think there may be more than one school that fits the bill.

RoyalCorgi · 18/05/2022 19:38

EmotionalSupportOlive · 18/05/2022 17:27

Well that's cleared up which school, isn't it? Their sixth form centre is in its own building and doesn't always have a staff member in it so quite possible for all sorts to happen without supervision.

I'm mystified. I haven't seen anything that gives any clue as to what the school is! (The racist dog lover doesn't say much apart from the story as reported being wrong.) I obviously don't want anyone to name the school on here but I'm puzzled as to how they worked it out.

Clymene · 18/05/2022 19:36

Oh thank you both. I have no idea who he is and he appears to have deleted his Twitter.

Honestly - why not just say 'I consider transwomen as women except when it impacts me personally'.

ScreamingMeMe · 18/05/2022 19:32

Robin "except for relationship purposes" Green.

tabbycatstripy · 18/05/2022 19:31

It’s so unreasonable for people to declare things like this story is ‘all made up’ or ‘fantasy’: how is it possible anyone would think anything other than that this story is entirely possible and likely, given what they insist we (as adults) all say and believe, or else ‘face the consequences’? This is exactly where their aggressive dogmatism has led us. As some of the usual suspects might say, ‘it tracks’.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/05/2022 19:30

Clymene · 18/05/2022 18:37

@GCRich - can't remember who said it (menopausal brain) but some straight TRA definitely said they considered that TWAW except for relationship purposes.

Here you go.

Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’
EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 18/05/2022 19:27

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/05/2022 18:13

I didn't expect this would be a Catholic school. Gosh.

I've no idea if it is, or it isn't. Or if it's a Catholic school or Roman Catholic school.

If the latter, being taught a belief in transubstantiation, and that asking for evidence rather than relying upon faith is a path to mortal sin, prepares you for a lot of absurdities.

Yeawest · 18/05/2022 19:00

Awful. TRA's are like cult leaders. No one is off limits even Mums net if you read reviews of Grace Laverys heinous book. Depictions and terminology are foul. Poor kid kicked out of school! Owen Jones now trying to track down the 60 girls for their side of the story. TRAs have no morality.