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Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’

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ResisterRex · 17/05/2022 05:37

This seems to be a clear failure on the part of all adults involved, if what's reported here is accurate:

Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/50aac934-d539-11ec-8585-951ab3afb4d2?shareToken=d55c6d8482ff6dde48eb9c33de693f54

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TheBiologyStupid · 21/05/2022 11:46

Clymene · 21/05/2022 10:21

Our friendly neighbourhood barrister still hasn't taken down the tweets saying this is all a big lie

Tick tick tick indeed!

Cailin66 · 21/05/2022 10:27

If Robin says The Times is notorious for being inaccurate what newspaper does he consider reliable I wonder.

Clymene · 21/05/2022 10:21

Our friendly neighbourhood barrister still hasn't taken down the tweets saying this is all a big lie

Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’
Times: Girl ‘driven out of school for questioning trans ideology’
Cailin66 · 21/05/2022 10:17

The Daily Mail article is pretty sad. That girl was failed by everyone. All those years in the school, bullied out, with no acknowledgment of her as a human being. No girl standing up for her. All the teachers, management going along with her leaving quietly because they are such cowards they would not speak up for her. Only one man did, the music teacher. Is there nobody there now that would organise an apology, an acknowledgment that the girl had done no wrong, that instead the mob was allowed to rule, the mob forced the school into submission and they were all wrong. All those years in school, being taught right from wrong, to learn that mob rule is a thing, and that it will win.

OldCrone · 21/05/2022 10:09

How many baronesses are there, how many are “be kind” how many put in their diary their engagements, at secondary private schools. It seems also to be an all girls school. In the last month or so.

It was sometime last year. The girl left the school in December.

The Baroness should put the record straight. Did she really lie to the girls that trans people in this country don't have basic human rights? She should either apologise for lying to these children or ask the Times to apologise for misquoting what she said if she didn't say that.

Why hasn't she come forward to clear up what was actually said?

EmpressoftheMundane · 21/05/2022 10:03

The only anonymous poll at the moment is the ballot box.

Datun · 21/05/2022 10:01

I have absolutely no doubt there are many pupils and teachers who disagree with the ideology but are terrified to say so. Look what happens when you do.

I wonder if it would be possible for some kind of anonymous poll to be taken. I'm not quite sure how you would instigate it, but finding out that you have a lot more people than you thought completely agree that the ideology doesn't make any sense would start a discussion.

Cailin66 · 21/05/2022 10:00

How many baronesses are there, how many are “be kind” how many put in their diary their engagements, at secondary private schools. It seems also to be an all girls school. In the last month or so. Can’t be too difficult to figure it out.

Glad the girl is getting public support. No wonder the school won’t comment as they should be ashamed of their treatment of her.

KimThomas · 21/05/2022 09:31

FannyCann · 21/05/2022 07:46

The DM has the teachers story. I'm guessing, as he has taught at the school for 30 years, his pension is secure and he is speaking out.
Mermaids and Stonewall have no business in schools.

6th form girl bullied out of school for saying biological sex is real
mol.im/a/10838801

This is all taken from the accounts on the Transgender Trend website and edited by the Mail - it’s not a new piece.

WandaWomblesaurus · 21/05/2022 08:08

Trans row schoolgirl ‘treated like heretic’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-row-schoolgirl-treated-like-heretic-7v50k9hqz

This should work

Pthagonal · 21/05/2022 08:00

Here's the archive version of the full story:

archive.ph/rDK5R

FannyCann · 21/05/2022 07:58

I'm surprised parents aren't pushing back at the school over this. It's a private girls school - why are they paying for their girls to be Stonewalled like this.

FannyCann · 21/05/2022 07:48

I think The Times must have disabled share tokens for this article? Doesn't look as if this works either.

Trans row schoolgirl in the eye of a storm.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-row-schoolgirl-treated-like-heretic-7v50k9hqzz_

FannyCann · 21/05/2022 07:46

The DM has the teachers story. I'm guessing, as he has taught at the school for 30 years, his pension is secure and he is speaking out.
Mermaids and Stonewall have no business in schools.

6th form girl bullied out of school for saying biological sex is real
mol.im/a/10838801

ResisterRex · 21/05/2022 07:45

Share tokens not working for me either. I agree with @rogdmum that the Baroness in question could speak to the press and in fact I think she would have to remain anonymous as naming her would most likely help trace the school.

You'd think she'd want to take the opportunity though, to distance herself from the events and call for polite discourse.

This reminds me of an exchange we heard in Allison's tribunal:

  • did you ever consider condemning the abuse AB was getting?
  • no
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rogdmum · 21/05/2022 07:34

Share tokens aren’t working for me either, but the article can be found in the usual spot.

I see the Baroness who gave the talk has ignored multiple requests for comment which is disappointing as her perspective on the event would have been interesting and she could have remained unnamed.

Quote from the pupil:

”This, of course, has led to a mischaracterisation of me, which has caught the attention of activists who believe I was expressing ingrained prejudice in my measured questioning of the baroness, which involved asking about how she might achieve cross-partisan consensus with those whose views she had already denounced as morally incompatible.”

I hope all of this does blow over soon for her (she expresses this wish in the article) but that some good does come out of her speaking about it.

Igneococcus · 21/05/2022 07:07

New article in the Times today, front page of the website edition, share tokens not working for me at the moment:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-row-schoolgirl-treated-like-heretic-7v50k9hqz

MangyInseam · 19/05/2022 22:22

Xenia · 19/05/2022 19:33

This is dreadful. The original Times article sums it up well. We used to have in schoosl all kinds of different people brought in to debate this - does god exist, people talking about pro or anti abortion, Labour/Tories and these were places where you could hold different views and were commended to the highest heavens for having good debating skills and debating with the speaker. Instead on this trans issue they seem to bring people in like a North Korean propaganda session to tell clever school girls like this what they must think and if they have different views from their fellow pupils the other girls think it is fine to treat the person like this - turn on them, shout at them etc.

This is what gets me.

I remember having these kinds of debates in formal settings in my school in my teens. And what is interesting is that not always, but often, the level of the debates was higher than it is now in places like the mainstream media. There was an expectation that in these issues both sides were bringing some high level arguments to the table and they had to be treated seriously.

GoodThinkingMax · 19/05/2022 21:39

Presumably he thinks she deserves it.

I very much think he does @TastefulRainbowUnicorn . That she doesn't deserve to be treated like a human being because of her "beliefs."

Of course all she did was ask questions and put another point of view.

EmpressoftheMundane · 19/05/2022 21:39

Are there no consequences for OJ? Is he not breaking any professional standards here?

Artichokeleaves · 19/05/2022 20:19

You'd think he'd have some basic idea of what this kind of pressure and harassment of a teenaged girl risks. Goodness knows he shouts enough about being sensitive to and careful of teenagers from groups he actually cares about it, it's not like he doesn't know. Bloody irresponsible.

nepeta · 19/05/2022 20:17

Why is the Guardian letting this happen? Owen is urging enormous numbers of his followers to go out to try to doxx the school and the girl on social media!

That is unethical behaviour.

Xenia · 19/05/2022 19:33

This is dreadful. The original Times article sums it up well. We used to have in schoosl all kinds of different people brought in to debate this - does god exist, people talking about pro or anti abortion, Labour/Tories and these were places where you could hold different views and were commended to the highest heavens for having good debating skills and debating with the speaker. Instead on this trans issue they seem to bring people in like a North Korean propaganda session to tell clever school girls like this what they must think and if they have different views from their fellow pupils the other girls think it is fine to treat the person like this - turn on them, shout at them etc.

RoyalCorgi · 19/05/2022 19:27

Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky · 19/05/2022 08:30

@FannyCann unlikely to be Hunt, funnily enough she tends to stay away from trans issues in the lords

I think more likely to be a Lib Dem peer

Lynn Featherstone has been very outspoken about trans issues, hasn't she?

Horrified at that tweet from Julie Bindel. How distressing it must be for that young woman, especially when she must be about to take her A-levels.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 19/05/2022 19:03

unlikely to be Hunt, funnily enough she tends to stay away from trans issues in the lords

Yeah, funny that isn't it. The person who instigated and spearheaded this bullshit movement suddenly completely silent about it.