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TDs getting it wrong about trans issues again in Ireland

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Roseglen84 · 16/05/2022 15:07

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-quote-wrong-says-woman-defamed-by-td-mick-barry-fdcmx099k
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Stella O'Malley - a psychotherapist who has spoken out against the medicalisation of gender non conforming children - has been misrepresented by some arsehole TD Mick Barry who didn't understand what she was actually saying.

“Ms O’Malley is an extremely controversial figure among the transgender community in Ireland and internationally,” Barry alleged.
“...she recently messaged on a gay rights advocacy group, which excludes trans people, that ‘I don’t think you should have any empathy, and I haven’t asked anybody to have any empathy and I don’t think you should have empathy or sympathy’.”

He added: “There should be no role for views such as this in sex education in our education system. This highlights the need for legislation on objective and factual sex education in schools.”

When actually she was talking about AGP individuals in women's spaces.

The recording of the Twitter Spaces conversation, from which Barry quoted, shows that O’Malley was asked if women who are concerned about losing women-only spaces should have empathy for autogynephiles — a designation disputed by many in the trans community that describes men aroused by the thought of being female.

In her initial response, O’Malley said: “I don’t think you need to give any empathy at all, at all, none. Zero. I think I should, because I’m trying to understand them.”

I despair at how weak and susceptible our politicians are to this nonsense .

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Cailleach1 · 22/05/2022 08:00

And, kudos to Sharon Keogan.

Cailleach1 · 22/05/2022 07:59

Solidarityovercharity · 21/05/2022 00:44

I think he did make the claim in the Dáil before he made the tweet, does that let him off scot free so?

What a travesty if it does! Amazing how this self identified paragon of something or other appears to be using their privileged position to smear Irish citizens.

Solidarity with the lads, more like. The views towards women, which gave rise to the mother and baby 'homes' and the Magdalen Laundries have now been dickied-up as progressive. No wonder these fellows lap it up.

Solidarityovercharity · 22/05/2022 04:16

Good for Sharon Keogan!

Mandodari · 22/05/2022 00:00
Sharon Keogan's Seanad speech. Worth a watch regardless of whether you agree with her on other issues or not.
Roseglen84 · 21/05/2022 16:20

Solidarityovercharity · 21/05/2022 11:39

The Independent Republic of Cork are hearing all about it with Mick Clifford's brilliant article in the Irish-Cork Examiner 😀www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40877765.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Thanks for that, at least it's getting some mainstream coverage in Ireland. According to that article, Stella has sent him a solicitors letter, not sure what effect that will have or if it makes a difference.

Another dissappointing aspect is the quote from Michael Martin, evasive and mealy mouthed as always - 'there has to be proper understanding and empathy in issues pertaining to trans people and the whole LGBTQI community'.
^^
I doubt he even knows that the issues are, he just parrots the usual bullshit.

Where's the empathy for a woman who was slandered in public?

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Mandodari · 21/05/2022 11:51

That's good to hear. The more people that get to see his dingbat behaviour the better.

Solidarityovercharity · 21/05/2022 11:39

The Independent Republic of Cork are hearing all about it with Mick Clifford's brilliant article in the Irish-Cork Examiner 😀www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40877765.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

SolasAnla · 21/05/2022 08:33

Solidarityovercharity · 21/05/2022 00:44

I think he did make the claim in the Dáil before he made the tweet, does that let him off scot free so?

It basically would, as an statements even knowingly false ones would not be actionable by a person named in a Dail speach by a TD. It would be up to the rules (eg if it is made to mislead the House) and the other TDs to take corrective action.

However the male child sex offender and the male who is currently up in court are both recorded in the Dail record as being held in the Womens Prison.
Thats 3 (out of 800ish) to date held in Limerick during his time as TD and any woman jailed for poverty related crimes in his constituency would likely be sent there rather than to Dublin.

Is he in agreement that a legal female penis-haver in the general prison population of the Womans Prison is not an ongoing problem?
Is he agreeing that a female Prison Officer should be obliged under her terms of employment to strip search a male?
Or that a male Prison Officer should be obliged under his terms of employment to strip search a female? Because the Prison Officers are not happy about that.

Would he stand up and confirm that he agrees with the legislation to place a legal male vagina-haver in the general prison population the Mens Prison?

The State paid for a whole medical assessment which concluded that a person, who met a individual with gender dysphoria decided to use that individuals clinical diagnosis as an "identity" to minipulate others.
That's one of those things which never happen.

The State also proved that having a history of violence with a criminal record is no barrier to filling out paperwork and being issued GRC. New name, new passport etc. I can trust that eg a child sex offender would give both names on a Garda vetting application.

€5,000 fine for a haircut which without a GRC would not have been actionable. Male/female and want to engage in sexually harrasssment in a work place .....

Women reduced in law to people who bleed with needs. But its all about proper sex education in schools.

@Mandodari did he really think that when examining the invasion of a recently independant nation that the general Irish public would support the invading nation?
In Cork?
The Independant Republic of CORK???? 🙄😂🤣🤣🤣

Solidarityovercharity · 21/05/2022 00:44

I think he did make the claim in the Dáil before he made the tweet, does that let him off scot free so?

SolasAnla · 20/05/2022 22:25

Mandodari · 17/05/2022 11:03

My understanding, and am happy to be proven wrong, is that parliamentary privilege would only cover him if he had made the claim in the Dail prior to publishing the tweet.

Yep consitutional protection for a country at war or at peace.

Handy if you admitted you stole from the public purse or were caught pissed and driving.

But a speaker would have to be carefull upon repeating themselves

13 The members of each House of the Oireachtas shall, except in case of treason as defined in this Constitution, felony or breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest in going to and returning from, and while within the precincts of, either House, and shall not, in respect of any utterance in either House, be amenable to any court or any authority other than the House itself

Abhannmor · 20/05/2022 13:18

@Solidarityovercharity You're right he is in Solidarity. Their sole TD. For now.

Solidarityovercharity · 20/05/2022 00:32

Thanks, that's a great read . Wow what a mess

Mandodari · 18/05/2022 18:32

Long read, but a very good insight into how Barry got himself into this situation.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/timeline-of-a-blunder?r=1hsp8e&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Mandodari · 18/05/2022 14:19

Have a look atThe Countess and see if they have any recommendations about contacting TDs.

thecountess.ie/is-the-proposed-hate-crime-bill-fit-for-purpose/

Roseglen84 · 18/05/2022 13:14

Solidarityovercharity · 18/05/2022 00:13

Is there no one gc other than Sharon Keoghan? I've nothing against her but she's pro life and that doesn't help the cause

Hmm, I didn't realise that - how dissappointing. Unfortunately, GC politicians are few and far between in Ireland :-( So frustrating.

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Abhannmor · 18/05/2022 12:34

yellowtwo · 18/05/2022 11:14

Abhannmor a lot of trans bill are coming from Fintan Warfield, who is a Sinn Féin politician. Sinn Féin want the GRA extended to children and non binary identities.

www.sinnfein.ie/contents/57257

Yes but they are also very pragmatic. If they get negative feedback from working class or rural voters they will park this. They won't die for Barbie. Whereas PBP are just a clique of paid hobbyists.

yellowtwo · 18/05/2022 11:14

Abhannmor a lot of trans bill are coming from Fintan Warfield, who is a Sinn Féin politician. Sinn Féin want the GRA extended to children and non binary identities.

www.sinnfein.ie/contents/57257

Solidarityovercharity · 18/05/2022 00:13

Is there no one gc other than Sharon Keoghan? I've nothing against her but she's pro life and that doesn't help the cause

Roseglen84 · 17/05/2022 15:18

Sharon Keogan seems to be the only person in Irish politics questioning this stuff, she made a speech criticising Self ID few months ago.

And now she has been outed from an Oireachtas committee. It's seems like the undesirables are being purged.

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Roseglen84 · 17/05/2022 15:16

Believerinbiology · 17/05/2022 09:52

It is just baffling that he can stand up and call for sex ed in schools to be factual and objective, while ignoring facts and objectivity in the name of a movement that ignores facts and objectivityand what he means by wanting sex ed to be factual and objective seems to be the opposite.
I would love if sex ed was factual and objective BTW! Would not have to be trying to figure out what my kids have been told and to then think critically about it.

This also pisses me off big time, he is completely misrepresenting what she says, and then spouts this bullshit about sex education being 'factual' when gender ideology is not based on facts but feelings. That's why I asked how they could be so blind?

Why is this the one issue where common sense completely fails?

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Roseglen84 · 17/05/2022 15:14

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/05/2022 17:52

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AryaStarkWolf · 17/05/2022 14:33

I've actually voted for Mick Barry in the past, I'm really disappointed to read this

Believerinbiology · 17/05/2022 11:15

Abhanmor SF are signed up to the trans bandwagon too and committed to lower the age for children to get a gender recognition cert with or without parental consent. Although like any other political group I don't know how much they'd push for it if they actually had power

Mandodari · 17/05/2022 11:03

My understanding, and am happy to be proven wrong, is that parliamentary privilege would only cover him if he had made the claim in the Dail prior to publishing the tweet.

Abhannmor · 17/05/2022 10:44

The Minister for Completely Unrelated Abstract Nouns.
Mick Barry could take it on.
Seriously though , I voted for PBP in 2011. I was rather annoyed to lose my job - permanently - and be forced to bail out greedy speculators whose bets went sour.

Now , like many here and in the UK also , I am politically homeless. I'm more of a socialist than a Shinner but something tells me Mary Lou x co will sniff the wind and freeze out the gender loonies . After all , they hedged their bets on water charges - and were late to the game on abortion and equal marriage.

You can see why trans stuff appeals to FF / FG though. They get to look progressive without spending the billions needed to fix housing , health et al. As for the bould Mick , is he hiding behind parliamentary privilege and does that cover tweets?

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