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Rachel Riley stands up for JKR. Predictable abuse on Twitter

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Clymene · 15/05/2022 12:40

Interview in todays Sunday Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ecb193b2-cb8e-11ec-8423-5db7bbe7a364?shareToken=31b9fc35227f1ff01a27fb51af5ada666_

Ben Cohen has told her she's wrong. She's told him she doesn't care what he thinks. Grin

Rachel Riley stands up for JKR. Predictable abuse on Twitter
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RhannionKPSS · 15/05/2022 17:43

Go Rachel ! more power to you 💚🤍💜

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 15/05/2022 17:42

Good on RR. She's dealt with an awful lot of shit already, I'm sad to know that more is coming her way but I do admire her courage.

That India Willoughby tweet is horrendous, as an aside. Is that legally actionable? Saying JKR's charity work counts for nothing because Jimmy Saville hid his sexual abuse behind charity work - is that not drawing a comparison between JKR and Saville?
I know JK normally rises above but I'd be on to my lawyers if that was me.

MagnoliaTaint · 15/05/2022 17:35

Nice one. Well done, Rachel. More and more sensible people speaking up every day, now.

As they say - 'start thinking of reasons why you supported the sterilisation of children'.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 15/05/2022 17:35

Bloody well done Rachel Riley!

CorpseReviver · 15/05/2022 17:32

frenchriver · 15/05/2022 16:57

So if attacks on JKR stem from the her defence of Jews, why then did she use her essay on trans rights to promote a person who tweeted on multiple occasions that George Soros is funding the "transgender lobby"?

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They don't necessarily 'stem from her defence of Jews'. Not all misogynists are antisemites, not all antisemites are misogynists. But there's a fuck of a lot of crossover.

Speaking as a middle-aged gender-critical Jewish woman, i know whereof I speak on this one.

FKATondelayo · 15/05/2022 17:31

I hope she doesn't capitulate.

FKATondelayo · 15/05/2022 17:31

Always thought Rachel was One Of Us.

CorpseReviver · 15/05/2022 17:31

When you've had to withstand the fucking onslaught of antisemitism that Jews in the UK, particularly Jewish women, have endured over the past few years, it kind of empowers you to also stand up for women's rights - because we've been relentlessly attacked, gaslighted, smeared, abused and misrepresented, so we're used to it... unfortunately.

See also Hadley Freeman as another example of a gender critical, kick-arse Jewish woman who is sick of all their shit (I am another one, but I'm not remotely famous so I don't count!)

hidinginthekitchenwithwine · 15/05/2022 17:24

Martina Navratilova posted (in reply to IW) on that thread an hour or so ago calling out the misogyny. Martina started off quite #be
kind about the whole subject. Until she slowly started to see what was actually going on and receiving some awful toxic abuse from TRA. (and once you see, you can't be a "both sides" kind of fence sitter, as I think Rachel Riley is slowly realising)

Clymene · 15/05/2022 17:13

Attacking Magdalen Berns doesn't go down well around these parts @frenchriver

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ScreamingMeMe · 15/05/2022 17:11

I'm surprised that I have to explain this, but criticising a Jewish person for something they have done is not the same as criticising someone for being Jewish.

SpindleInTheWind · 15/05/2022 17:09

I think @frenchriver that it's possible to communicate with both women on a public communication platform called 'Twitter' so you can ask them directly.

The source of monies behind ideologies is indeed a fascinating and important subject that needs much deeper investigation.

ScreamingMeMe · 15/05/2022 17:09

frenchriver · 15/05/2022 16:57

So if attacks on JKR stem from the her defence of Jews, why then did she use her essay on trans rights to promote a person who tweeted on multiple occasions that George Soros is funding the "transgender lobby"?

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Is that you, Comerford?

UsernameNotAvailableHmm · 15/05/2022 17:06

Good for her, thank you Rachel

Rainbowshit · 15/05/2022 16:58

Fantastic Rachel!!

frenchriver · 15/05/2022 16:57

So if attacks on JKR stem from the her defence of Jews, why then did she use her essay on trans rights to promote a person who tweeted on multiple occasions that George Soros is funding the "transgender lobby"?

🤔

Rachel Riley stands up for JKR. Predictable abuse on Twitter
ScreamingMeMe · 15/05/2022 15:58

Yes, I'm sure that'll convince her, India you loon.

Rachel Riley stands up for JKR. Predictable abuse on Twitter
Clymene · 15/05/2022 15:41

BettyFilous · 15/05/2022 14:16

I had no idea Rachel Riley was so outspoken and straightforward. More power to her elbow. JKR’s going to have to book the Albert Hall for her next cancelled women’s knees-up. 😄

She's amazing!

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Musomama1 · 15/05/2022 15:34

Wow, go Rachel, she's as tough as old boots and has a lot of twitter resilience. Not surprised she's spoken her mind again, good for her.

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DianeBrewster · 15/05/2022 14:54

I've been following her on twitter for a long time too. She's smart and I doubt she's gone into this without a lot of thought.

As for BC.... you can fight antisemitism and still be a misogynist, you can fight misogyny and still be an antisemite. Historically though it's interesting to note how often these two went hand in hand - particular as expressed by the church when it was claiming that only IT had the power to give the kind of life that REALLY mattered. i.e. New life in christ, given at baptism - replacing the meaningless, merely physical, life given by women, and a new set of scriptures replacing the "old" set of Judaism.

of course the psychology of men using women for surrogacy is interesting in this context too...... 🧐

BettyFilous · 15/05/2022 14:16

I had no idea Rachel Riley was so outspoken and straightforward. More power to her elbow. JKR’s going to have to book the Albert Hall for her next cancelled women’s knees-up. 😄

LegsOfJelly · 15/05/2022 13:57

SpindleInTheWind · 15/05/2022 13:48

Riley has been accused - by men - of everything from not being Jewish enough, doing Jewishness all wrong, and 'using her Jewish heritage to promote self-interest'. It seems relentless.

I doubt she has many fucks left to give.

100% this. I've followed RR for some time on twitter because of her brave stance on antisemitism, and the abuse she gets is off the scale. The woman has ovaries of steel and I doubt she jumped into this debate without knowing what the response would be.

SpindleInTheWind · 15/05/2022 13:48

Riley has been accused - by men - of everything from not being Jewish enough, doing Jewishness all wrong, and 'using her Jewish heritage to promote self-interest'. It seems relentless.

I doubt she has many fucks left to give.

TheMarzipanDildo · 15/05/2022 13:43

And I like this bit:

Rachel Riley stands up for JKR. Predictable abuse on Twitter