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Matt Walsh 'What is a Women?' trailer released

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MalagaNights · 14/05/2022 16:16

Matt Walsh, the right wing Catholic who is against abortion and yoga (I'm just getting in all the reasons to not 'align' with him in advance, if that's your thing) has released the trailer for his documentary.

It looks hilarious and amazing;

twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1525477731181502464?t=zwaCB9yE6f6R48Q46arIeA&s=19

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MalagaNights · 15/05/2022 16:31

@IcakethereforeIam I know, I was just being silly!

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BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 15/05/2022 16:28

Shared gender identity of "woman".

ace, many thanks for the reply

what are the characteristics of a gender identity of woman? how do I know if I have one?

I didn't chose my name and I don't attempt to control the pronouns people use to talk about me when I'm not present, so I don't think those would contribute to my gender identity.

SeldomHere · 15/05/2022 16:26

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 15/05/2022 16:21

This is great @SeldomHere , I'm genuinely delighted you're here to help me understand transgender people.

I've always wanted to know what the common features of the gender identity transwomen have are? what characteristics are shared by people with a gender identity that marks them out as a woman?

Shared gender identity of "woman".

That's it.

A common link usually also involves feminine names (like "Sarah"), labels (like "actress"), and pronouns (like "she"), but the more we get to specifics, the less universal these things they are.

Because there's more than one way to be a woman, and women, both cis and trans, are all different.

MalagaNights · 15/05/2022 16:24

I have reached a point where 'right wing' no longer translates to 'insult' for me, it translates to 'reality based' ideas and policies.

Left wing too often means changing the world in line with your view of Utopia regardless of the fact this ignores the reality of human nature.

I think that's why the left has embraced this trans madness; it reflects a drive for the ultimate utopia where everyone can have exactly what they want and even biology won't prevent it.

Something is only an insult if you think being that thing is insulting.
I think living in reality is s good thing.

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BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 15/05/2022 16:22

Enforcing "traditional" definitions of "man" and "woman" isn't that much ideologically distant from enforcing the traditional definition of "marriage".

please can you explain what traditional definitions of 'men' and 'women' feminists enforce? thank you!

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 15/05/2022 16:21

SeldomHere · 15/05/2022 16:16

You don't understand anything about transgender people, you just keep repeating the same lies, even as trans people keep refuting them thousands and thousands of times.

This is great @SeldomHere , I'm genuinely delighted you're here to help me understand transgender people.

I've always wanted to know what the common features of the gender identity transwomen have are? what characteristics are shared by people with a gender identity that marks them out as a woman?

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 16:18

You don't understand anything about transgender people, you just keep repeating the same lies, even as trans people keep refuting them thousands and thousands of times.

Trans people can refute what they want, doesn't make it true. You've been duped.

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 16:17

Sex can be altered though

No, it can't.

SeldomHere · 15/05/2022 16:16

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 16:05

If anything, transgender identity is being gender diverse, and the "gender critical" as well as conservative movement is hostile to gender diversity of that sort.

You could not be more wrong on any of this.

Transgender identity is about pretending to be the oppostie sex because you may like some things apparently traditionally liked by the opposite sex.

'gender critical' is about knowing that there are two sexes [that is genuinely it]. Many of the 'gender crititcal' people have spent their lives in non-gender conforming roles and certainly often wear non-gender conforming clothing.

You don't understand anything about transgender people, you just keep repeating the same lies, even as trans people keep refuting them thousands and thousands of times.

SeldomHere · 15/05/2022 16:15

RoyalCorgi · 15/05/2022 14:33

This is what I meant about not being able to reason with people. They think that believing there are only two sexes and that it's not possible for humans to change sex is a right-wing position. You might as well argue that believing the earth goes round the sun is a right-wing position. It's an utterly meaningless insult. What are we supposed to do? Clutch our pearls in horror and say, "The horror of being accused of being right-wing is so terrible that I'm going to start believing that men are women"?

Sex can be altered though, hormones are one of the components of sex, and hormonal composition can be changed, as can the characteristics affected by hormones.

Enforcing "traditional" definitions of "man" and "woman" isn't that much ideologically distant from enforcing the traditional definition of "marriage".

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 16:05

If anything, transgender identity is being gender diverse, and the "gender critical" as well as conservative movement is hostile to gender diversity of that sort.

You could not be more wrong on any of this.

Transgender identity is about pretending to be the oppostie sex because you may like some things apparently traditionally liked by the opposite sex.

'gender critical' is about knowing that there are two sexes [that is genuinely it]. Many of the 'gender crititcal' people have spent their lives in non-gender conforming roles and certainly often wear non-gender conforming clothing.

Moppincraxy · 15/05/2022 15:39

I think the trailer looks interesting and I would like to watch the rest.

I'm a Christian and love yoga but without the woo. To me it's no different than enjoying a cake baked by someone I dislike or going to a university founded by a racist slave-owner. You can disassociate a thing from its origins and appreciate that thing for what it is without endorsing everything that came before it.

DaisiesandButtercups · 15/05/2022 15:29

Apologies for the tangent but I feel it is worth noting that in the UK being religious does not necessarily align people with right leaning political opinions, with the exception of being practising CofE.

Matt Walsh is Catholic. Catholics in the UK have traditionally supported the Labour Party. Another major difference between the UK and the US.

religionmediacentre.org.uk/factsheets/how-faith-communities-vote-in-uk-elections/

IcakethereforeIam · 15/05/2022 15:24

@Droptear self portrait?

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/05/2022 15:19

@RoyalCorgi we were discussing this last night. As with flat earthers, any vaxxers, no such things as birders, it's the 5Gers etc, there us nothing you can say to those firmly wedded to an ideology. Everything is a lie, every other position deluded, wicked, false.

In real life is much easier to just smile and move on. On here, sometimes, it's appropriate to add explanations for readers who are still thinking about an issue.

This thread has enough considered responses for any number of Hitler references and supposedly belittling responses to be see for what they are.

Ludicrous...

NotBadConsidering · 15/05/2022 15:17

SeldomHere · 15/05/2022 13:29

@NotBadConsidering
> Matt Walsh and I agree that children should not be sterilised and rendered asexual for being gender diverse.

Yeah no, that's not a thing, nor is that what being asexual means.

If anything, transgender identity is being gender diverse, and the "gender critical" as well as conservative movement is hostile to gender diversity of that sort.

If children aren’t being sterilised and rendered sexually dysfunctional because they’re gender diverse, why is it happening then? What IS the reason for children to be given drugs which arrest their sexual development?

Both Matt Walsh and I agree these drugs, leading to lifelong medicalisation, should not be given to children.

Good luck explaining how that is is a “right wing” political opinion akin to a view on corporate tax rates, as opposed to, you know, an opinion based on the premise of first do no harm.

But I’ll say in advance, to emphasise my point from above, I don’t care if you think it IS a “right wing” political opinion to not want to medicalise children, and I don’t care if you think agreeing with Matt Walsh on this makes me some form of right wing apologist. Because I know that it’s just a manufactured stick to try and beat people’s opinions with, and I know where I stand politically. I also know that if you’re trying to persuade people that medicalising children is the good, “left wing” opinion to have, I want no part of that.

NotBadConsidering · 15/05/2022 15:08

Droptear · 15/05/2022 13:28

Watching FWR defending right wing personalities/media/politicians (however toxic/anti-feminist they are) week after week is a delightful treat.

As I posted above, you seem to think I should care about you wilfully misunderstanding and claiming it means something nefarious. Why should I care about what you find delightful? Particularly for your first post on Mumsnet?

IcakethereforeIam · 15/05/2022 14:39

@RoyalCorgi very well put.
@MalagaNights I don't dislike other people liking yoga woo, and I wouldn't dislike someone for liking yoga woo....or genderwoo.

RoyalCorgi · 15/05/2022 14:33

This is what I meant about not being able to reason with people. They think that believing there are only two sexes and that it's not possible for humans to change sex is a right-wing position. You might as well argue that believing the earth goes round the sun is a right-wing position. It's an utterly meaningless insult. What are we supposed to do? Clutch our pearls in horror and say, "The horror of being accused of being right-wing is so terrible that I'm going to start believing that men are women"?

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/05/2022 14:29

Ah well! Happy to have amused you!

Droptear · 15/05/2022 14:23

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/05/2022 14:15

Yeah. If you can't process what has actually been posted I suppose it would be!

The cognitive dissonance displayed just makes it that much sweeter 👩‍🍳👌

AlisonDonut · 15/05/2022 14:22

Droptear · 15/05/2022 13:28

Watching FWR defending right wing personalities/media/politicians (however toxic/anti-feminist they are) week after week is a delightful treat.

Hi.
Right wing women are also women.
Right wing men and women are entitled to talk about this.
Hope that helps.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/05/2022 14:15

Droptear · 15/05/2022 13:28

Watching FWR defending right wing personalities/media/politicians (however toxic/anti-feminist they are) week after week is a delightful treat.

Yeah. If you can't process what has actually been posted I suppose it would be!

SeldomHere · 15/05/2022 13:29

@NotBadConsidering
> Matt Walsh and I agree that children should not be sterilised and rendered asexual for being gender diverse.

Yeah no, that's not a thing, nor is that what being asexual means.

If anything, transgender identity is being gender diverse, and the "gender critical" as well as conservative movement is hostile to gender diversity of that sort.

Droptear · 15/05/2022 13:28

Watching FWR defending right wing personalities/media/politicians (however toxic/anti-feminist they are) week after week is a delightful treat.

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