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Nadhim Zahawi in the Times today

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mcduffy · 14/05/2022 06:09

Wasn't sure about how positive this interview, he's putting a fair bit of work on teachers to allow separate access to changing rooms and toilets but at least he recognises the safeguarding aspects and can define a woman. Also isn't it the case that gender reassignment can't be official until someone is an adult?

Nadhim Zahawi: ‘Trans pupils should wear uniform they want — but sport is different’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2748f9a6-d2f7-11ec-84ba-2054de44b21e?shareToken=adb4b55cec72f43ee0ee47b55e80ed17

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rogdmum · 14/05/2022 07:35

Yes warrior, I completely agree. What he is proposing potentially helps parents like me (and teachers by giving them definitive parameters), but the teaching of gender ideology needs to stop. IMO schools should move to talking about gender dysphoria/gender distress rather than the “trans child” and work along the lines of the chart in the interim Cass report which shows various paths into GD and various possible outcomes. Plus acknowledge the influence social media has.

WarriorNewAgain · 14/05/2022 07:28

This is a child protect issue first and foremost. When male adults are detransitioning and describing that trans gave them the answers to all the pain and mental health difficulties they have, how can the whole ideology be seen as in anyway positive?

NecessaryScene · 14/05/2022 07:24

"once parents and health experts “agree that a child is a trans child” — he gives the case of a trans girl — then schools have a duty to protect them while also making sure they do not “infringe on the safety of all the girls”

Surely that's still true before they agree that?

Or does deciding that a child is a "trans child" confer special protection?

If so, he might want to consider whether this might be a possible input to the social contagion.

WarriorNewAgain · 14/05/2022 07:24

I suppose clarifying that this needs to be medically decided will help place breaks on teachers wilfully and secretly transitioning children, as you experienced rogdmum?

It doesn't stop the ideology.

Until this is recognised as a safeguarding issue with examples and outlines of how harm occurs, this won't be eradicated from schools.

rogdmum · 14/05/2022 07:23

NB can’t definitively be said to be a protected characteristic but many schools ignore this and treat it as though it is one. It’s one of my bugbears that the EHRC won’t update their Technical Guidance to Schools to state this.

WarriorNewAgain · 14/05/2022 07:18

But might clarify batshit ideas of gender neutral toilets

WarriorNewAgain · 14/05/2022 07:17

Afaik NB isn't seen as dysphoria.

So that won't deal with batshit grammar buggering pronouns.

rogdmum · 14/05/2022 07:00

Zahawi is talking about “the trans child” and saying:

“once parents and health experts “agree that a child is a trans child” — he gives the case of a trans girl — then schools have a duty to protect them while also making sure they do not “infringe on the safety of all the girls”.”

So what does that mean for schools affirming a child as nb or the opposite sex? Is he saying a health expert needs to agree that is the right approach before a school can do so?

NancyDrawed · 14/05/2022 06:58

'Gender Reassignment' appears to cover everyone who ever has a thought that they don't feel sufficiently masculine or feminine for their sex - it is so woolly I'm amazed it made it into legislation. That said, as far as I am aware, having the PC of gender reassignment means that you can't be treated differently than other members of your sex, as opposed to meaning you should immediately be treated as if you are the opposite sex.

"A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex."

Are you perhaps thinking of holding a GRC, the process for which can't be started as a minor currently?

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