Stonewall leader wants dog and mum to sit next to him in court

I just suddenly had an image of Lord of the Flies

I think KM chose to pick on Allison, so needs to be accountable for his actions, which were supported by SW, but Sw will now blame this person for all the mis information they have been giving out. Re autism, there was the case of the police person apparently misgendered by someone with autism, and prosecuted. So sympathy for this does not go both ways. Also it has been shown that girls who may be autistic, seem to be very much at risk and are in more danger of having damaging hormones and mutilating surgery inflicted a
upon them.

Really the legal team should have cleared it with the court. They’ve had plenty of time to prepare their witnesses and sort all this stuff. It was a deliberate choice to not do so. I wonder why?

It feels as though some very immature people were let loose in a sweetshop at SW. Hope some grownups come along soon and get the keys back.

Surely if this person was competent to do their job they would understand that there is a difference between men and women?

Surely if this person is capable of doing their job they would understand that in order to have three support oxygen breathers with them in a court appearance they would need to clear this first?

Ffs.

I think the circus around KM really distracted from what he actually said, bodies are not male or female. That is the headline news from his cross examination.

In fact I think I remember reading this link on a MN thread.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42880690.amp

and this one

eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/roadwarriorvoices/2016/01/12/passenger-takes-turkey-on-delta-flight-as-emotional-support-animal-and-now-were-so-confused/83290688/

just Google support animals on planes to see what people have as their emotional support animals.

Oh dear goodjanet , you really are behind aren’t you?

People we’re taking their support Miniature ponies, goats and turkeys on airplanes in the US at one stage! It was a topic on MN because I remember learning about it here.

And the turkeys were suspicious because it was thanksgiving! (as in people were suspicious that they were ‘support animals’ and not just dinner at the other end).

I want one of these... Emotional support honeybadger

(I think Allison has one built in - kudos!)

I wonder if the solicitor in the room with KM was KM's own solicitor, or a Stonewall supplied one representing SW's best interests rather than KM's?

I fear that KM is selected to be the person Stonewall will throw to the wolves to save the rest of them if Allison wins. But he/they obviously have a warped view of justice, what violence is, and whether other people than transgender ones have any rights or human value.

That's a really good and interesting article from Simon Fanshawe.

I was utterly astounded an MNer on FWR could be unaware of support dogs, and then I realised it was you
What even is that supposed to mean?
Where do you even begin with that.
All posters on FWR automatically know what a support dog is?!
Er, OK.
Realised it was me? Not sure what you're insinuating there. An occasional dissenting voice, do you mean?! Oh noes 😲🙄
Such a level of ignorance of disability accommodations is totally typical of people arguing the trans activist line on mumsnet
Because they're the only people who won't always know?
I mean, what?
If you've never had the need for them in RL, never known anyone else to, not come across the term - why would you automatically know support dogs are a thing (for want of a better expression?!)
I have honestly only just heard of them and think they sound a great idea and that people could benefit from them.

So this might be controversial, and I really don't mean it to be. But lately I have seen a few instances of people being hired into roles on the basis of diversity, where it did honestly affect their ability to function in that role. The attitude seems to be, we should change to accommodate that person, and that is sometimes possible, but not always. Someone who is heading up a major charity needs to be able to understand people, complex thought processes, understand appropriate behaviour, and work under significant stress with a high degree of accountability.

A very good article in the Mail (yet again) by one of the founders of Stonewall - Simon Fanshawe - horrified at what the case is revealing about Stonewall.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10811203/Trans-activists-wrecked-good-work-Stonewall.html

I was utterly astounded an MNer on FWR could be unaware of support dogs, and then I realised it was you.

Such a level of ignorance of disability accommodations is totally typical of people arguing the trans activist line on mumsnet. In fact, it's a foundational point of the position, really. If trans activists had been interested in and knowledgeable about accessibility and fostering true diversity, they would spot the clashes of protected characteristics. They would certainly object to seeing the Equality Act 2010 recast as a hierarchy where gender reassignment trumps everything else.

At this point, I am reminded of another regular FWR poster who inclines to the trans activist view, who said that a young autistic gay man shouldn't be allowed out in public because he had an argument with a male transitioner he saw using the women's toilets.

The press really should start looking at the individuals responsible for all this at stonewall. Im still waiting for a story on the influence of Aimee Chanellor

This is eye-opening as to the whole Stonewall organisation. Just how they managed to wield so much power is extraordinary when you discover people like KM in such a senior role.

I hope this is start of the end of Stonewall in it's current state.

JulesRimetStillGleaming
autism is a disability

Absolutely it is and the fault here is Stonewall, if a disability means you cannot cope with the consequences of your actions you should be supported and supervised in your role* and the supervisor should be on the stand defending the actions. It should not be used by KM and/or Stonewall to blindside Allison’s barrister and the required arrangements should have been requested in advance. That was a circus that will cause problems for KM in the future.

*And I say this as someone strongly suspected of having autism but females with autism especially of my age are rarely diagnosed.

Yes it is pretty infuriating. Particularly because Allison wouldn't dream of being disrespectful to Kirrin in any lifetime because of the struggles she herself has been through. Shame Kirrin has not shown an iota of respect in return.

I read the thread, didn't see the Zoom proceedings. Apparently, in the room with KM were mum, support worker who didn't want to appear on screen so left the room, dog, whose presence surely didn't really need to be mentioned, and lawyer. As no advance notice had been given that all of these people were needed and they had to be visible, valuable tribunal time was lost sorting it all out. Unprofessional.

I am not at all sticking up for Stonewall or KM but autism is a disability and not all ND children actually can cope with nursery after 3 hours!

Indeed! And the need for the whole entourage should have been expressed clearly in advance. BC was "blindsided" by their sudden and unexpected appearance, and IO appeared to be sneaking them in under the radar until a fresh camera angle was requested and hiding them from sight became impossible. Disgraceful.

I’ve got immense sympathy for people suffering from mental health problems but I cant help thinking stonewall and this particular stonewall leader have brought this situation upon themselves. If KM couldn’t cope with this case stonewall should have put forward someone else to give evidence defending the letter as presumably KM was just implementing stonewall policy.

And if stonewall’s defence is going to be to set KM up to fail and claim they went rogue, stonewall has had a long time to say ‘oops rogue employee, that letter shouldn’t have been sent’ settle with Allison and do a public apology before the case came to court.

I also missed where KM expressed concern for Allison’s mental health as they were trying to hound Allison out of her chambers.