The Assassination of Amber Heard

Midlife are you suggesting I’m lying about my abuse?

you can’t speak for all victims, yes at first I thought Depp was the victim from the controlling behaviours of hers but when I put in into perspective, the age difference, the JD I’ve ‘known’ for years, the good looking bad boy etc I’m sorry but no. I’m glad I had this epiphany and I can only share my views on this thread. Or I think I can.

I was just wondering as it seems that many abuse victims who do listen to the recordings see themselves in Depp and see their abusers in Heard.

Oh and yes my own experience does affect my judgement which I paid no attention to as JD was obviously telling the truth as he was too cool to tell lies.

No I don’t know which headlines as everything coming my way is very negative towards her which is what attracted me to this thread. No I haven’t spent time listening to the testimonies but I have been watching clips (all pro Depp) and I have my doubt. It is an uneducated opinion but I’m not here to convince anyone either way as neither of them mean anything to me but I just don’t believe he is a victim and I don’t need to justify myself. The truth does come out so let’s see.

Have you listened to the hours of recordings? Listened to the testimony and looked at the associated evidence and exhibits? Compared all the various depositions and testimonies and recordings and evidence about the same events?

You have done all that and come to the conclusion that Amber is the victim and there is evidence to back up her claims and Johnny is the abuser?

Or are you basing your view now that Amber is the victim and Johnny the abuser on headlines and snippets and posts you read and your own personal experience?

Amber heard told her therapist about the abuse back in 2012.

What motivation would she have had to lie at that point?

It's the misogynistic spin. Hellova lot of hypocrisy going on.

Proudman is good on this. Also getting a lot of hate for saying so!

Oh and I also wasn’t a soft spoken dv victim. Once I realised I didn’t have to listen to him, I answered back to him and when he told me I was abusing him I did laugh at him because I found it hilarious how he controlled me all those years and put so much fear in me that all I did was take back control of my life from him which meant answering back and slamming doors to show that I wasn’t going to be that woman again I’m not saying that’s what AH did but I think she didn’t back down and that made her seem like the aggressor. I’m not excusing this behaviour I just think it needs to be seen in a wider context of their relationship, did he really have a problem with her roles with certain male actors? That’s definitely controlling behaviour but nobody is focussing on that.

I was a big JD fan back in the day and even recently. I must admit I had not been following much of this and my first thoughts were well ofcourse JD is innocent, just look at him, poor him etc i based my conclusions on the tid bits I read online with a huge dose of bias until I gave my head a bit of a wobble.

She may have hit JD but I wouldn’t call it domestic violence just because she got physical. I was in a relationship where I was controlled and threatened and gaslit, I had nobody as he isolated me and had PND and one day I snapped and hit him (I am half his size and strength) and guess what, he turned around and said I was the abuser and he was a victim. I couldn’t speak to who I wanted, work where I wanted, I didn’t have any access to money for the children, kept being accused of having affairs so I walked on egg shells yet because in a moment of pent up anger I hit him due to some disclosure he would make (On a few occasions) suddenly he became the victim. He was never scared of me, he did what he wanted and he knew he had all the power due to all the emotional blackmail and my position as a woman in the community. So now I am ashamed that I fell for the whole poor JD a victim. I mean he would trash hotels and has a major drug problem, I mean how can we think he’s so innocent. Do we seriously think AH made all of this up? She may have lied about things I have no idea but do we really think JD is a victim who never laid a finger on her despite being so high on drugs, smashes things up and has questionable friends I think we need to stop focussing so much on her ‘bad points’ and be really weary of the media portrayal and the PR. Honestly we fall for the Hollywood image but these photos of him being so off his face have made me realise how unstable he is and that is not the JD I imagined him to be.

So now I am genuinely concerned for AH welfare and safety because when it’s all said and done JD is complaining about a few roles he’s missed out on probably due to his own self inflicted issues but I think she has a lot more to worry about after this and hope she stays safe. This doesn’t mean I like her or anything but as a woman I feel for her as it seems the world is against her but instead at worst minimising what JD did to her which I bet is far more damaging that what she did to him. I’m sorry I just can’t see he is a real victim and I think he knows it but just needs to clear his name because he needs the money.

Quite royal.

And yes, not very nice people or stable people suffer DV. And would probably be more likely to try to angrily gain revenge (ie the poo, if that was her or other things he's said she did.)

Doesn't cancel it out nor does it mean he didn't commit DV and sexual assault which is what this is all about.

The age gap is one thing, the asymmetri in power since he was 46-ish and a mega superstar and she was 25-ish and up and coming,
the fact he is a man - thus rather a lot stronger is another.

so yet again you have to be the Madonna and completely free of any sin - otherwise you were asking for it.

jeez, together with the «people with uteruses» who have just lost their access to abortions, this is all going backwards to hell in a handcart.

Thank you for this thread.
No, she is not perfect. Not even nice, maybe.
I didn’t know you had to be flawless to experience dv.

I'm astounded by the amount of denial - how far people will go to excuse his behaviour or say that it was justified because she shouted at him etc etc.

What he did is documented and corroborated by others on so many occasions. That is so rare in domestic abuse cases.

It makes me so angry when people go on and on about "Me too" and "Believe her" but as soon as they have to manage something slightly uncomfortable or outside their normal worldview, out come all the excuses to avoid acknowledging it.

Since some of her testimony is corroborated by primary sources I can't see that happening. I don't know how much everyone following this across all social media knows this but I can't help thinking it's being done in order to smear her as much as possible.

Indeed. Obviously Depp has a very good PR team that is able and willing to spread his message.

I saw a series of video clips this morning which showed Depp in chat shows admitting to various things he'd done - not to Heard, but stuff like trashing a hotel room, threatening paparazzi with a blunt instrument and so on. We also know - because he has admitted it - that he drinks and takes drugs to excess, to the extent of blacking out.

It reminds me very much of Jimmy Savile used to openly talk about his sexual predilections and nobody did anything about it. Now everyone says: "But it was in plain sight! Why did nobody do anything?" And now here we have Depp admitting to his behaviour in plain sight and people are pretending not to see it.

@ChuckBerrysBoots

I may be wrong but I think I read somewhere that she didn't tell anyone about the multiple sexual assaults except her therapist.

She's only bringing them up now because he's dragged her to court forcing her to have to defend herself by trying to prove that he was indeed abusive.

If she was indeed sexually assaulted by him it’s absolutely horrifying to think that’s she’s now being forced by her abuser to relive her trauma in front of him and the entire world.

Happy to be corrected on this.

The link to the text message chronology from the UK case above makes for fascinating reading. No doubt for me that he did throw a phone at her face causing an injury - whether it went further than that I’m not sure.

For those who are following it more closely, one thing that you may be able to answer for me. For all the recordings they made of each other, and all the text message exchanges flying between all parties, is there a reference to the incident with the bottle in any of them? I can completely understand why she may not have disclosed it, but at the same time she was pretty open with family and friends about what was going on, and she was in text contact with him as well. It just seems weird to me that there doesn’t seem to have been contemporaneous reference to that incident or the physical assault which preceded it - but I accept the slant on the reporting means I may have missed it.

I'm shocked at how many adults struggle to step away from the simplistic childish narrative that someone is either all good or all bad. Johnny Depp is an amazingly talented actor, but he is not someone i would like to meet and definitely not someone i would want to be friends with let alone in an intimate relationship with. I can still enjoy watching his movies though.

The Heard/Depp thing, should be used to educated people in how complex toxic abusive relationships can be when you get two people with personality disorders/mental health problems/substance abuse together. The problem is the male will, almost, always have a physical and sexual power advantage over the female. Add money and fame to a relationship like this and boom, this is what you get.

I have not changed my mind about the equal but different kinds of abuser they each are. But the ongoing shitfest aimed, yet again, at the woman, is transparent, abhorrent and fucking ridiculous!

Yes, she is a liar, as is he.
Yes she has a history of violence, as does he.
Yes, she comes across as an excruciatingly self absorbed individual, as does he.

But the media coverage has quite often been sheer woman hating lunacy! What she wears, how she wears it. What she says, how she says it. Does she cry, does she not cry? Did she use make up to make or to cover up bruises? She's an actress... come on, you can't believe her! And on and on and on.

And poor old Johnny... ?

Blech!

When Amber was 23 she was in a relationship with Tasya van Ree. According to online sources Tasya and Amber broke up in 2012 when Amber was 26.

You believe she was cheating on Tasya? You keep saying 23 in your post so I am really not sure what point you are trying to drive home?

She admits repeatedly in the recordings to having been the primary aggressor and to hitting him and throwing pots and pans at him.

If you avoid the media and social media and read transcripts and listen to recordings and testimony - it is almost impossible to see her as a victim.

The UK judge's son (Robert Palmer) worked with Wooten (the defendent) at TalkRadio. The judge (Andrew Nicol) and his wife were / are personal friends of Rupert Murdoch who owns the Sun. The judge should have recused himself from the case due to the conflict of interest.

JD and his team are using fake news to their advantage.

It's been found that there's at least 6,000 bot accounts spreading pro JD/ anti AH misinformation. They're spreading propaganda and people are just lapping it up.

I don't know what it is about social media but it's full of people with zero critical thinking skills.

It's puts me in mind of Trump and all the fake news surrounding him due to the Russian bots. Truly outlandish stuff that people believed simply because they read it on Facebook.

I really hope as a society, years from now we're going to look back and be truly ashamed and disgusted at how we treated AH.

I do think a lot of Depp’s supporters online are bots and then the unwavering support is filtering through to real people. A lot of lies have been posted about Heard online - like she was quoting the talented Mr Ripley. I wouldn’t be surprised if Depp hadn’t hired a reputational pr firm.

Also another thought is that proportionally what Depp has accused Heard of is minor compared to her accusations. Ie she threw a bottle that popped my finger off / she slapped me. Then compare this to Heard being kicked in the back and sexually assaulted.

im sure there is wrongdoing on both parts but am shocked by the willingness to defend Depp - who has been giggling and doodling in court. Let’s not forget he has a lot more money to hire experts etc.

It was just mentioned on woman's hour that for JD to win they'd have to not believe a single thing that AH has said.

Not one.

Since some of her testimony is corroborated by primary sources I can't see that happening. I don't know how much everyone following this across all social media knows this but I can't help thinking it's being done in order to smear her as much as possible.