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Keira Bell Appeal

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Signalbox · 05/05/2022 21:26

Just seen on Twitter that the Supreme Court have refused Keira's permission to appeal...

www.39essex.com/a-victory-for-gillick-competence/

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unwashedanddazed · 06/05/2022 00:27

Keira's work is done. What she has achieved has had an impact around the world. The 'Bell case' is frequently mentioned in reports from other countries reviewing their practice over puberty blockers. Amazing outcome.

NotBadConsidering · 05/05/2022 23:51

Yes, they say “Children can always decide their own treatments for everything and anything because Gillick said so.”

Er, no. Not remotely.

MangyInseam · 05/05/2022 23:16

NotBadConsidering · 05/05/2022 23:10

“A Victory for Gillick Competence”

What a load of nonsense. It’s been about who decides that a child IS Gillick competent: the clinic that has been ideologicallly captured into believing the no-evidence treatment pathway is the right thing to do without consideration of whether the child understands the impact on their future physical health, sexual function and fertility, OR a judge who is independent of all that.

You can only determine a child is Gillick competent if you ask the right questions and discussion all the problems, not just assume that they’re going to be “asexual anyway” so it doesn’t matter 🙄.

A lot of the posts and comments I've seen on this seem to suggest that people believe that Gillick competence is something that applies across the board to all minors. Let a different age of consent for certain things. The distinction you are making would be totally lost on anyone thinking that way.

NotBadConsidering · 05/05/2022 23:10

“A Victory for Gillick Competence”

What a load of nonsense. It’s been about who decides that a child IS Gillick competent: the clinic that has been ideologicallly captured into believing the no-evidence treatment pathway is the right thing to do without consideration of whether the child understands the impact on their future physical health, sexual function and fertility, OR a judge who is independent of all that.

You can only determine a child is Gillick competent if you ask the right questions and discussion all the problems, not just assume that they’re going to be “asexual anyway” so it doesn’t matter 🙄.

Mollyollydolly · 05/05/2022 22:55

She won anyway. She changed everything.

FlibbertyGiblets · 05/05/2022 22:55

nauticant · 05/05/2022 22:44

One positive of this decision is that it frees Keira Bell to choose how much she wants to step back from all of this. She's already done more than enough, by an enormous margin.

This is a very good point.

Keira, thank you.

nauticant · 05/05/2022 22:44

One positive of this decision is that it frees Keira Bell to choose how much she wants to step back from all of this. She's already done more than enough, by an enormous margin.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/05/2022 22:40

I agree that we all owe Keira a huge debt for what she's done. The exposure of the dire state of the offer from GIDs to children has been exposed and there was a massive public acknowledgement of the hazards of transitioning for children and young people.

I am in awe of so many courageous women like Keira who have spoken up and acted - and endured so much hate and hostility as a result. Thank you Keira. Flowers

ResisterRex · 05/05/2022 22:30

I agree that this is likely to have been the best way to get attention to the issue. IIRC, "a review" was promised by Mordaunt in Sept 2018. Nothing happened until Sept 2020 when the Cass Review was announced. You have to wonder if it would have happened without her. The GEO did announce "research" but that would not have been a review like there is now, especially with Javid's further announcement in the last week or so.

Flowers for Keira

nauticant · 05/05/2022 22:10

Keira Bell won on the establishment finally having to acknowledge in public that there was a medical scandal.

Trans activists won on being able to say that using judicial review was not a good way to get court room victory bragging rights.

Which win looks best?

(Although using judicial review did turn out to be highly effective from a tactical point of view in terms of getting the best result.)

ResisterRex · 05/05/2022 21:51

It's noteworthy how chosen names are, and are not respected. In that online update, they could just say Bell, as in: Bell v Tavistock as per the second sentence. And it could just read "permission has been refused in the first sentence. But no.

Signalbox · 05/05/2022 21:51

*brakes

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Signalbox · 05/05/2022 21:51

Yes. I think the breaks have been put on massively thanks to Keira. I don’t think things will go back to the way they were any time soon.

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nauticant · 05/05/2022 21:39

That's not necessarily a shame. Keira Bell had already won in any case, discrediting the existing medical protocols, revealing the lack of a sound evidence base, revealing the experimental nature of the treatments, and revealing that "wholly irreversible" was a political/ideological statement rather than a scientific one.

The outcome of her case is the Cass Review, not a hearing in the Supreme Court.

Even if trans activists celebrate an apparent victory they'll know how hollow it is because the uncontrolled medical treatments from before 2020 are not likely to return.

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