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doadeer · 05/05/2022 19:37

It's so difficult to try to remain balanced in these discussions but honestly.... Why do certain minorities constantly need to centre themselves. How many non binary people does abortion even affect? Must be tiny.

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Justkeeppedaling · 08/05/2022 09:06

Do you think these women can just say they aren't assigned female at birth?

I wonder how many MTF transgender people there are in societies where women are oppressed, or even "just" more traditionally treated. ie in societies where hunter-gathering is still the norm.
Has this ever been looked at?

doadeer · 07/05/2022 15:21

And in other news
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/07/taliban-order-all-afghan-women-to-wear-burqa?CMP=fbgu&utmmmedium=Social&utmsource=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0gAgfAgjezTQNlf0BKyl3Tm4vS0Gnts-ZfnAhy-x-gQOvdET7kR39YOik#Echobox=1651930242

Do you think these women can just say they aren't assigned female at birth?

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LK1972 · 06/05/2022 19:11

Justkeeppedaling · 06/05/2022 09:40

"I am not a woman but I have a uterus"
Yes dear, of course you're not a woman. Silly doctors. 💁🏼

Grin
JulesRimetStillGleaming · 06/05/2022 18:08

Haven't RTFT but Neurodivergent Rebel is reviled by as many in the autism community that revere *neopronoun for extreme and absolutist views on all sorts of things. It's usually best just to roll your eyes and laugh when you have the misfortune to encounter NDR.

Justkeeppedaling · 06/05/2022 09:40

"I am not a woman but I have a uterus"
Yes dear, of course you're not a woman. Silly doctors. 💁🏼

Fenlandia · 06/05/2022 09:36

twitter.com/ChathmhaoilE/status/1521813630622253061

It's such a tiny number of people!

Mandodari · 06/05/2022 09:29

I'm not surprised given their attitude on femininity. They have a very conservative attitude on what makes a woman a woman (excluding biology, that is a free for all in their minds).

nepeta · 06/05/2022 06:46

NecessaryScene · 06/05/2022 06:01

But it's also another piece of evidence I have for my theory that the average political beliefs within the transgender community (other than about their own identities) are actually right of center.

I do recall one US survey a couple of years ago testing that proposition, and it agreed with that. Quizzed on a bunch of issues, transgender respondents were more conservative than the general population.

Anyone got a reference to that?

I found this reference
www.metroweekly.com/2019/08/study-finds-transgender-people-are-more-politically-conservative-cisgender-men/

NecessaryScene · 06/05/2022 06:01

But it's also another piece of evidence I have for my theory that the average political beliefs within the transgender community (other than about their own identities) are actually right of center.

I do recall one US survey a couple of years ago testing that proposition, and it agreed with that. Quizzed on a bunch of issues, transgender respondents were more conservative than the general population.

Anyone got a reference to that?

MoiraQueen · 06/05/2022 00:32

Women and girls will die if safe access to abortion is removed, I really wanted to reply to some of these disgustingly self centred posts with grow the fuck up.

nightwakingmoon · 06/05/2022 00:28

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 06/05/2022 00:14

It’s almost as if there’s a group of people who have something specific in common, and it would be useful to have a name for that group of people, a name that distinguishes them from other people who don’t share that common trait.

(Particularly when the latter group of people has form for not treating the former group of people as well as could be desired, and when the rights of the former group of people are fundamentally under attack.)

I think it would be so useful to have some nice clear language with which to talk about these phenomena in an easily comprehensible way, so that everyone who was interested could access the conversation.

But hey, what do I know - I’m just an old dinosaur with far too many rights as it is. Apparently.

Yea indeed, if only we dinosaurs had thought to hoard abortion rights instead!

Why, it’s almost as if rights can’t be “hoarded” at all, but just depend on whether some men decide if we can have them or not. (Whoever “we” are. I mean, since you can’t tell without being a doctor or a biologist whether someone might in fact have a uterus, why should we behave as though anyone even has one in the first place?)

FrancescaContini · 06/05/2022 00:21

Sorry @doadeer I’m referring to the hilarious little screenshot you’ve attached.

FrancescaContini · 06/05/2022 00:20

doadeer · 05/05/2022 19:56

It's just bizarre

“Language is confusing and upsetting “ 😂 oh dear…how do some people function in the outside world with work, normal interactions with people etc?

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 06/05/2022 00:14

It’s almost as if there’s a group of people who have something specific in common, and it would be useful to have a name for that group of people, a name that distinguishes them from other people who don’t share that common trait.

(Particularly when the latter group of people has form for not treating the former group of people as well as could be desired, and when the rights of the former group of people are fundamentally under attack.)

I think it would be so useful to have some nice clear language with which to talk about these phenomena in an easily comprehensible way, so that everyone who was interested could access the conversation.

But hey, what do I know - I’m just an old dinosaur with far too many rights as it is. Apparently.

DuesToTheDirt · 05/05/2022 23:15

A friend made a fb post about the potential Roe vs Wade reversal... one of the comments on it was something like, "Yes, this is why we need trans rights." WTF. Confused

IamAporcupine · 05/05/2022 23:07

WellThatsMeScrewed · 05/05/2022 20:00

Just saw this. Honestly I had to stop myself from crying. I’m so fucking angry about what is happening in America. Then I saw this and I thought ‘how dare you!’. This is not about trans or NB. This is about women.

This. I felt the same.
I can't stand all the NB nonsense. I really do not care if you actually do not feel like a woman - if you have a uterus, you are one.

FemaleAndLearning · 05/05/2022 21:57

I know it beggars belief. Again it is not a costume you can pick up and put on and take off when you feel like it. There are gender critical autistic people out there which is positive. I don't think the tweeter identifies as autistic they is autistic. The non binary thing is fairly recent though.

WellThatsMeScrewed · 05/05/2022 21:44

FemaleAndLearning · 05/05/2022 21:27

Sadly the tweeter has a lot of sway in the autistic community and mixes identity with neurodivergence which has lead to a lot of humans identifying as autistic. I have also heard the term autigender which is even worse because it implies all autistics have some form of queer identity which is just bollocks.
One day these traitors to our sex will wake up. It will no longer gain you a place by having a special gender identity, hopefully our autistic daughters will be less susceptible to this shit.

Identifying as autistic?

Well we need to spread the word to all those parents who have children on the very very long waiting lists for assessment by the NHS. Don’t both with those pesky assessments just identify your child as autistic.

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FemaleAndLearning · 05/05/2022 21:27

Sadly the tweeter has a lot of sway in the autistic community and mixes identity with neurodivergence which has lead to a lot of humans identifying as autistic. I have also heard the term autigender which is even worse because it implies all autistics have some form of queer identity which is just bollocks.
One day these traitors to our sex will wake up. It will no longer gain you a place by having a special gender identity, hopefully our autistic daughters will be less susceptible to this shit.

Artichokeleaves · 05/05/2022 21:19

Goodness how some people can't tolerate women talking or the focus for a second shifting onto them. It's like a particularly coloured cloth-based item being politely introduced to a bovine lifeform penis bearer.

nepeta · 05/05/2022 21:12

ErrolTheDragon · 05/05/2022 20:32

"It's frustrating that the word that means to have a uterus is so steeped I'm gender."

Woman? It's only 'steeped in gender' if you accept gender stereotypes being applied to other people (while eschewing them for your own special self). HmmWhereas if you're gender critical and want to do away with ridiculous anachronistic ideas of 'gender' for everyone and just have sex (real and inescapable) and individual personality, this perceived problem evaporates.

Yes!
An observation from my recent reading on many trans chat sites: A high percentage of transitioners hold extremely traditional and sexist views about what it means to be a woman or a man. Most appear never have read anything about feminism or the idea that gender roles and rules are very much culture-specific in that they show much variation across time and space. Many believe that there is only one way to perform womanhood/manhood, and if they can't do it, then they must transition.

This is very sad. But it's also another piece of evidence I have for my theory that the average political beliefs within the transgender community (other than about their own identities) are actually right of center. That it's the left which promotes them is therefore interesting.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/05/2022 20:32

"It's frustrating that the word that means to have a uterus is so steeped I'm gender."

Woman? It's only 'steeped in gender' if you accept gender stereotypes being applied to other people (while eschewing them for your own special self). HmmWhereas if you're gender critical and want to do away with ridiculous anachronistic ideas of 'gender' for everyone and just have sex (real and inescapable) and individual personality, this perceived problem evaporates.

Circumferences · 05/05/2022 20:29

Life forms have a uterus.....

Circumferences · 05/05/2022 20:29

Animals have a uterus!

Circumferences · 05/05/2022 20:29

Mammals have a uterus.

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