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Respect my Sex - Mayor of Watford

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Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 11:09

Hi All
With the up coming local elections I wanted to get an idea of the candidates views on women's rights. In Watford we have an elected mayor, the position has been held by 2 people since it was created 20 years ago, both LibDems.

To get an idea of the candidates' stances I sent the following message to all 3 (as well as the local council candidates who haven't replied).

Dear Candidate

I live in xxx Ward and currently find myself politically homeless, having recently given birth to a baby girl I have come to realise the importance of women’s hard won rights and protections and the reasons they are needed. You may have seen the campaign ‘Respect my Sex if you want my ‘X’’, in which women all over the country are talking to local election candidates about women’s sex-based rights and single-sex spaces and services.

Sex is a protected characteristic in the Equality Act. Women’s single-sex spaces and services matter for the dignity, privacy, and safety of women.

Yet some local authorities, have begun prioritising the concept of self-identified ‘gender’ over sex. This filters down into Council policies with an impact on the provision of women’s single-sex spaces and services – for example public toilets and park facilities. Clarity about sex also matters for sports – girls and women need single-sex competitions to guarantee fair and safe competition. Clarity about sex matters for safeguarding children. Some schools have removed single-sex toilets and local authorities have endorsed materials which suggest that what makes a child a boy or a girl is whether they fit into masculine or feminine stereotypes.

I’m interested to know where you would stand on these issues and would be grateful if you would let me know how you would answer the following questions:

Can you tell me what a woman is?
Do you understand that the Equality Act 2010 allows for single-sex services and sports?
If elected, would you work to ensure that our local authority:
retains the concept of sex where it matters in language, communications, data collection, and policy development;
protects women’s single-sex spaces and services, both in direct provision, and where you have regulatory / partnership influence;
prioritises safeguarding the vulnerable, especially children, in the provision of all spaces and services where sex matters?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Many thanks

My Name

I have heard back from all 3 and will post the replies in the order I received them.

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AirFireWaterEarth · 04/05/2022 22:11

Did the Lib Dem candidate really need to use so many words to say, "don't vote for me"?

I would be voting for the Conservative candidate as she not only send to have a good, firm grip on reality but has managed to string together several sentences in her response to convince me of her stance rather than simply assert a bare "yes" in response to your questions as the Labour candidate has (which leaves me wondering, "do you really, though...?")

ElaineMarieBenes · 04/05/2022 21:12

Labour

WalkerWalking · 04/05/2022 21:11

For information- Dorothy Thornhill was the Mayor of Watford for best part of 20 years I think. Incredibly influential Lib Dem.

WalkerWalking · 04/05/2022 21:08

I left Watford in 2015, before gender ideology was even on my radar, but I always had a huge amount of respect for Dorothy Thornhill. This has got me wondering what her views are on all this (I had a very brief Google, but she doesn't seem to be on twitter)

doublemonkey · 04/05/2022 20:48

Binita of course.

Clangyleg · 04/05/2022 20:33

Still haven’t forgiven the conservatives for Brexit, but agree that the response to this was excellent. I don’t think I could ever support them as they are continuing to decimate public services, and nationally seem utterly incompetent and racist. In theory Labour should be better but not convinced either. And don’t even talk about the Lib Dems on this issue. No way. Spoiled vote I think.

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 04/05/2022 19:47

Thought the Conservative answer head and shoulders above the other two.
Lib Dems was awful.
I'd be voting Conservative

CrossPurposes · 04/05/2022 19:41

Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 17:44

Appointed mayors and elected mayors are different though. Lydia Simmonds was not elected. Elected mayors only became a thing in the UK after the local government act 2000.

Still not true though: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanne_Anderson

HairyBum · 04/05/2022 19:37

I couldn’t vote libdem based on the information provided. However there is no mention of social care, only health in the conservative plans linked

HairyBum · 04/05/2022 19:28

Binitas response is great!

HairyBum · 04/05/2022 19:25

What does the letter mean, it talks of trans rights … Part way through the letter he talks of gender identity and this then morphs into chatter about the legislation around gender reassignment - which is very strange as gender reassignment is a more formal process involving professionals and far from casual gender identity

FemaleAndLearning · 04/05/2022 19:06

That Lib Dem link up thread is very enlightening. They see anyone asking about single sex spaces as hostile. And they certainly have a lot to say in favour of 'transing' children.

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nzborn · 04/05/2022 19:01

Tory its also a way of supporting the group conservatives for Women.

FemaleAndLearning · 04/05/2022 18:57

sweetgrapes · 04/05/2022 17:17

Are the answers also collated here? I couldn't see them.

I think they will publish them after the elections, I'm not sure to be honest.

WallaceinAnderland · 04/05/2022 18:54

Based on those answers I would vote Tory.

This statement from Lib Dem shows that they have not listened to women's concerns at all 😮

We are committed to upholding women’s rights and trans rights, and do not believe that the two are in conflict

Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 18:42

Peregrina · 04/05/2022 18:37

Tories are not monsters, they are people who care about local services and value for money for their council tax payers, just as you do.

Yes, but those will be the old fashioned Tories who were mostly chased out of the Parliamentary Party in favour of Johnson arselickers.

Local politics is more likely to be the old fashioned grass roots tories than the parliamentary party. Generally individual candidates are more important locally and the local council will have very little to do with Boris Johnson.

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Peregrina · 04/05/2022 18:37

Tories are not monsters, they are people who care about local services and value for money for their council tax payers, just as you do.

Yes, but those will be the old fashioned Tories who were mostly chased out of the Parliamentary Party in favour of Johnson arselickers.

RIPWalter · 04/05/2022 18:19

My friends MIL who is a former mayor (independent) is of the opinion that local politics shouldn't be party political and therefore vote for the person who looks best based on their policies/previous performance (if relevant). So based on that it is definitely Binita who would get my vote.

WhereYouLeftIt · 04/05/2022 18:09

and the Labour bloke is just not up to the job.

(sorry, pressed 'post' too soon)

WhereYouLeftIt · 04/05/2022 18:08

"Liberal Democrats believe we must ensure the safety, dignity and wellbeing of all people. We are committed to upholding women’s rights and trans rights, and do not believe that the two are in conflict."
He may not believe the two are in conflict, but they clearly are. So either he can't see reality or he's lying. Either loses him my vote.

The Labour candidate's response has conjured an image of him holding your message with big metal tongs, as far away as his arm will stretch, trying to make sure he does not become infected by you. Rolling his eyes and using the minimum of words to get it away from him ASAP. Except, of course "The same as the biological definition." He could have typed 'adult human female' quicker and yet, and yet, and yet - 'same as' somehow feels to me like he's denying it's got anything to do with him, IYSWIM? He accepts there is a biological definition but wants nothing to do with it, won't even sully his keyboard by typing it out. No, he wouldn't get my vote either, he's dismissive and frankly uninterested in interacting with constituents, which will make him crap at the job.

The Conservative candidate makes a good impression with me. She addresses you personally, she's actually read it properly and sees what you are getting at. She sees YOU, and she sees the problem. She's clear and unambiguous, and points out that it's not just her it's her party too. She comes across as a human being, which the other two really don't.

So, you asked, "So as a left leaning woman who would you vote for?". I am a left-leaning woman, and it pains me to be politically homeless just now, but on those responses I would be voting Conservative. The LibDems can just fuck off and the Labour bloke

CandyLeBonBon · 04/05/2022 18:02

Thanks op. I've taken your lead and just messaged my local candidates using an adapted version of your excellent email!

shivbo2014 · 04/05/2022 18:01

Thank-you for this. I am in Watford and have been going backwards and forwards over who to vote for.

Magenta82 · 04/05/2022 17:44

TasticFantastic · 04/05/2022 17:29

Lydia Simmonds was the UKs first Black lady Mayor (came to my school)

Not a difficult Fact check, makes me question what else they'll get wrong.

Appointed mayors and elected mayors are different though. Lydia Simmonds was not elected. Elected mayors only became a thing in the UK after the local government act 2000.

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TasticFantastic · 04/05/2022 17:29

Lydia Simmonds was the UKs first Black lady Mayor (came to my school)

Not a difficult Fact check, makes me question what else they'll get wrong.

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AelinAshriver · 04/05/2022 17:29

How anyone can vote Tory when their leader is one of the biggest misogynist in politics is beyond me.