Single sex toilets and muslim women

@Helloahoy are you seriously suggesting in your post of 00.13 that we women fight for separate swimming sessions for any men who want them? Women should focus on men. As ever. No.

And I think when such sessions have been discussed, swimming pools haven't had a good enough uptake from men to bother running them. Now why might that be?

Just accept that single sex spaces are important and even essential for most girls and women to take part in life. They have been integral to our lives and we aren't giving them up.

Recently in my town, a self identified trans woman followed a young girl they had been harassing into a toilet and sexually assaulted her. Recently self identified, I might add, in order to gain sympathy or leniency in their upcoming incestuous rape case at crown court. According to people who know HIM, he has said that he thinks being in a quandary about his self ID will be a good defence and that if it's not, he will find life more enjoyable in a woman's prison and since self ID is a protected characteristic now, nobody can deny him. I very much doubt even telling them this in court would prevent him being sent to a woman's prison.

Sick pervert joining the ranks of far too many sick perverts identifying as women to get their kicks and having medals pinned to their chests for doing so. This generation sucks in so many ways, but the desperate fawning over any bloke who says he's a woman is one of the worst ways, definitely.

Helloahoy your posts to itto are really nasty and offensive.

itto I hope you are ok.

Have I missed the part where itto said her daughter goes to a Muslim school and she only mixes with Muslims. Or that she isn't white either (there's lots of white Muslims. Unless Bosnians aren't white).
The idea that a woman who wants to observe her religion and also keep her daughters safe in a single sex group should move to another country when she was born and brought up in the UK is ludicrous and veers dangerously close to the rhetoric of the BNP. There's many issues with religion and oppression of women. Just like with TRAs the answers all seems to involve somehow women being forced to make the changes while men can just get on with their lives.

Like it or not, Muslim women and other women of faith, women from different ethnic backgrounds and 'female' women have as much right to claim 'British culture' as you do

Well said, @itto !!!

What sort of man insists on being somewhere he knows he isn't wanted?

Precisely. To date I have asked 3 men that as they were in the Ladies, they should use the Men's (in places where both had been labelled 'gender neutral' while retaining the Male/Female symbols on the doors). All of them faked surprise and told me that they were allowed to use this loo because it is 'gender neutral'.

These were ordinary middle aged men - nothing trans about them. At least 2 of them were doing this to intimidate women or because they got a kick out of it. They were practically smirking! This is what we'll be dealing with if this horrible trend continues.

How interesting that you need to resort to personal accusations about my supposed 'culture'. I am happen to be a white 'westerner' and my children attend all types of events with all types of people, in our wonderfully multicultural and multifaith part of the UK. Not that non-white women would be less legitimate to speak on this issue, but I am perfectly aware that I am in a privileged position. You appear to be seriously lacking in your understanding of British laws and customs. It is perfectly legal for women to discriminate on the basis of sex when needed, and we will continue to do so. Like it or not, Muslim women and other women of faith, women from different ethnic backgrounds and 'female' women have as much right to claim 'British culture' as you do. Anyway, I didn't come on here to debate with people who hold white supremacist views. I just wanted to add my testimony of how this affects me as a Muslim woman, as per the OP's question.

Isn’t it strange how quickly the slogan “my feminism is for ALL women” falls apart when met with religious groups?
“Yeah, well, they choose to be religious, so stuff ‘em”.

Have I been living in a bubble, or hasn’t it been the cultural norm, in the Uk, for a long time, to have single sex facilities? Also, doesn’t the Equalities Act (2010) have protections for sex and religious beliefs as part of their group of protected characteristics?
Questioning why someone would choose to live in the country of their birth, because they are trying to find ways to ensure their children’s sex and religious based rights are upheld and aligned, is quite frankly baffling and stinks of Islamaphobia.
I dare say a great many of us would choose a space for our daughters if we knew male bodied people weren’t prioritised there, over somewhere that accepted male wants over female need. Fuck it, I’d choose a space like that for me too. I’m my 40+ years I’ve lost count of the ways in which my body had been objectified, used/abused, diminished by the male sex, now we can add appropriation to that list too.
I stand with my fellow women, biological not philosophical, it is inconsequential to me if they are lesbian/straight, old/young, practicing whatever religion/none at all, from wherever, with whatever disabilities/abilities, other than to accept and empathise that some of the above will offer additional challenges to them in combination with their sex. I stand with them. More importantly society had an obligation to stand for them, for us, to ensure we are being given fair provision. It is not a ‘choice’ not to use the same bathroom as a bepenised person if your religious beliefs forbid you from doing so. Therefore these women are not being given fair and equal provision.
A TW may not have her feelings validated by using a gender neutral third space, but at the end of the day it is still a choice of two, mens bathroom with the men, neutral bathroom with some men and some women.

Some horrible posts on here overnight. I have more in common with Muslim and Jewish women, than with any man who demands his way into a space where he isn't wanted. The majority of all women want to keep certain spaces women-only. What sort of man insists on being somewhere he knows he isn't wanted?

There are thousands of women who are pushing back to reclaim our rights.

At last, and I am so pleased. We only won them in the first place by fighting for them, we didn't get them by being nice or kind.

Isn’t it amazing that men have free access to every part of society, yet it is us women who must exclude ourselves to ensure that their access to any and all
places remains? How progressive!

So again women are being asked to retreat and leave spaces to accommodate entitled memory. It’s funny now no matter people say trans women are women they still behave like entitled men.

There are thousands of women who are pushing back to reclaim our rights.

Well said and O hope you know you are far from alone in your valid concerns.

It’s not just Muslim women (though I can see that is your focus), Muslim men could not use a toilet with women. To do so is not “ok” and I think it would be the same for Jewish men???

Helloahoy
Your recent unpleasant comments about a poster who wanted to protect her child by ensuring that the girl guides are single sex were snide and uncalled for in my opinion.
We saw very recently that the Girl Guides have been captured by Stonewall & have already had the ridiculous situation of TIM in their ranks.

And most women are grossly offended by men who want to invade our spaces, and take away our right to privacy, dignity and safety for ourselves and our children.

How would you police this? There are trans women out there who physically look like women and if I'm not mistaken, literally are classed legally as women.

I’m saying that trans women have every right to use a women’s toilet. How would you propose to stop them? It’s not about ‘refusing to respect female only spaces

Well, yes it is about refusing to respect female only spaces.

Wow.

It is quite amazing how in the rush to privilege men, how every other group is quickly thrown under the bus and a whole lot of dubious stuff appears.

BTW it’s been the “culture” to have single sex spaces in Britain for - ooh, centuries. Perfectly “culturally British” to not want your small girl encountering a man in the loo or at guide camp, no?

You seem pretty young and inexperienced, Helloahoy. I recommend you think about quitting now, before your posts get even more offensive.

No they are not women, they are trans identifying men, nothing less or more. HTH