Legal recognition of non-binary gender identities to be debated by MPs

People can't afford to heat their homes, the cost of living is becoming ridiculous, SEND provision is becoming a real crisis in many counties if it's there at all, three women are being murdered a week and women are being raped in prison, but yes, absolutely, let's spend tax payer money and MPs time debating this.

FFS.

I doubt there will be many MPs there tbh, unless they've been asked to be by quite a few of their constituents or have a bee up their ass about it.

Hopefully a few can spot the potential danger to women's rights and can be present.

transequality.org/issues/resources/understanding-non-binary-people-how-to-be-respectful-and-supportive

Mind blowing...

Will Boris Johnson be there? I wonder how he'll stop himself from saying "Utter tripe"?

If some non-binary people think they are neither male nor female and some think they are both male and female, shouldn't we have a binary system of non-binaries to tell them apart?

Arrrgghhh

also non bloody binary but "sex is a spectrum"
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There are plenty of non-binary males who believe that women's spaces are the right ones for them since they are not men

Yep. Men who change nowt about themselves but still think their penis belongs in female only spaces because they want to pretend they aren't men.
They don't need the dress and lipstick to call women who object to them invading female spaces, nasty bigots.

It also puts them in this new sacred caste of males who we must pretend are all completely benign and never commit crimes.

Legal recognition of so-called "non-binary", which means a person denies having an immutable biological sex, cannot happen. Sex is already a protected characteristic, determined in the law that is the Equality Act 2010.

To introduce 'non-binary' into any law would contradict any law that includes sex.

It ain't gonna happen. But it's gonna be a very entertaining debate for all the tosh that will be spouted.

WTF?

Is this Pip's law?

I just can't wait for inputs from the like of Michael Fabricant and Mark 'My father was part of the Normandy landings don't ya know' Francoise.

You can define the terms in religion though.

Trying to legislate something that has no actual definition would surely prove difficult.

I dont believe in God but I know what a god is.

Having destroyed the definitions of the " binaray" aka man and women which now mean anything an individual person thinks it means and can vary from eprom to person to person, how can you even define non binary.

Legislation needs to be definitive and clear surely?

No. There are plenty of non-binary males who believe that women's spaces are the right ones for them since they are not men.

We can have legal recognition of religious belief (in anti-discrimination laws) without writing the concept of 'souls' into law. I think it should work the same way for gender identity. People are free to believe in it. They shouldn't be discriminated against. But legal recognition of any 'gender identity' gives the idea a legitimacy it doesn't deserve.

I think this is a really useful thing to be happening. Something of a 'shot themselves in the arse' moment for the blue-haired babies.

Especially as there seems to be a lot more recognition lately of how this bilge is going down with the grown-up general public, once they know about it and its implications for their children and their own lives.

They can decide what a non-binary person is but they can't even define what a woman is.
Really, we don' t want to add anymore identities to the GRC, we want to repeal the GRC.

Following the link you can set a you tube reminder.
Is it compulsory for MPs to attend the debate?

There is zero need to protect or recognize any bloody 'gender identity' in law, especially when no one can even give a proper definition of any it. It's the equivalent of recognizing someone's personality or dress sense.

Why do we need to 'recognise' people who claim that they are not actually a man or a woman when in fact they are actually just a man or a woman. It's ridiculous. What EXACTLY is it for?

If it's a petition debate there will likely be a small but dedicated turn-out. Perhaps a slightly bigger crowd than usual because it's an ever so trendy subject for daft MPs, but I don't think they'll be fighting for seats.

I wonder if Crispin 'Fucked Up Over Khan' Blunt MP will attempt to lead the charge as usual, despite having to resign from being Chair of the APPG on alphabet soup.

Caroline Nokes will be insufferable as per. And Maria Miller. Wera Hobhouse will gnash her teeth and maybe wee Mhairi will too. Nothing like a cross-party gnashing.

Presumably Kemi Badenoch will there to represent the Government.

Lewis Carroll — 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.''

So what Laurie Penny is is whatever they say they are! Have your cake and eat it, too.

I've seen that combination used elsewhere by some university feminists who are really trans advocates. They divided women into three categories and ranked them as
trans women
nonbinary women
cis women

That is in the order of the oppression hierarchy, the oppressors being the last group.

This double-counting of people as both nonbinary and women allows someone to try to identify out of sexism and misogyny (not like those other girls) while also allowing them to identify into the gains from feminism (repro rights etc). I have little patience with them because they are one of the most vocal demanders to erase all words for female people (women, mother etc.), and it is the erasure of all names for the female sex which would make addressing sexism and sex-based oppression impossible.

Shouldn't it be nontrinary because the addition of a third category makes means no one can even be binary.

How Can non binary be a gender when it definds itself against sex because according to mermaids there could be as many gender identities as there are people. Although the BBC just claimed their are 100.

Either way it can't exist as a definition

Yes. I would watch that.

Good point. There was a time when I'd have hoped that our more intelligent MPs would demolish this nonsense very quickly. Apart from anything else, just imagine the logistic challenges for society of allowing people to identify as non-binary. Now we've had time to discover just how stupid so many of our elected representatives are on this issue, I have every confidence they'll all make idiots of themselves.

Considering that it can't really be defined, they should put an end to this nonsense.

A lot of people claim to be non-binary, but still maintain a very gendered appearance.

This sort of stuff plays havoc on the NHS who need to know what your real sex is.

The map of where the most petitioners come from absolutely shows it's blue haired students. Westminster, Brighton, Bristol, and other places where there are big Uni populations.

I love the idea of conservative Westminster being a hotbed of gender identity

Laurie Penny announced on Twitter yesterday that she identifies as non binary and as a woman.

So is NB an add on? Because if it, then why does it need to be recognised? And if it is then is someone who identifies as NB and either male/female, are they different from someone who just identifies as NB?

It's all very confusing. And I do wonder what rights NB people feel they need which aren't recognised? Is it Christy whatever her name is - that woman who looks like she has had all the blood drained from her - who is behind this?