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Help wording an email to manager re: gender

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HunterHearstHelmsley · 29/04/2022 21:56

I have a rough draft of an email already but could do with some help wording it...

I am a gender critical. Recently, a trans woman has joined by team at work. Several emails have been received about their pronouns and how they expect to be addressed, with added articles.

I'm fine with addressing them however they fancy. I need to contact our mutual manager to remind them I am gender critical and this belief is protected under the Equality Act. I don't intend to misgender anyone. I don't want the ideology forced upon me. I want my beliefs to be respected.

Can anyone help me pen an email please?

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PriOn1 · 20/11/2022 06:17

Can’t speak for theOP, but given that there are a number of people who have lost their jobs or found themselves having to defend themselves against accusations of bigotry, I can imagine a number of reasons why a woman who knows people can’t change sex might feel unsafe because of the changing situation.

I think, OP, that as others have said, it’s a bit annoying that all these e-mails are being sent, but they don’t really have any detrimental effect on you that would warrant you saying anything right now. If you actually come under attack or suffer detriment, you will then have a case where you can point out that your beliefs are protected. I don’t think this is a good time for a pre-emptive strike, that might be seen as an act of aggression.

What I would say, is that four e-mails from a colleague is beginning to sound quite like proselytizing and I doubt you will be the only one who’s finding it a bit much. This might be a case for giving someone enough rope.

dapsnotplimsolls · 01/05/2022 10:47

Why do you feel unsafe?

sashh · 01/05/2022 03:11

LunaRaven · 29/04/2022 22:13

Can someone help me. What is gender critical? I'm a bit confused with the Ops post but think it's because I'm a bit behind the times with terminology etc

GC means you believe when people are born (or for most people before birth) they are male of female and that no one can change sex.

In my case I reject gender completely as it is bad for society in general and women in particular.

In practice this means I'm happy to work with trans people, they are just people and I don't care what is under their clothes but when it comes to sports teams, girl guide chaperones, having to attend a rape crisis centre of being strip searched by the police, I don't want someone with male physiology to be accepted as a woman because they are not.

90% of male to female trans have had no surgery and do not take cross sex hormones. So are men in all but name.

My recent problem I can't go into detail but it was a MH group on zoom, as I logged on pronouns were being added and I didn't want to be asked mine because I don't want to. And yes it did make me feel unsafe, and by the same token had I said that I object to pronouns in signatures I may well have upset some people in the room.

It was resolved by the professionals having their titles rather than pronouns and attendees putting what they wanted.

OP

I'd word it as concern for all colleagues. EG

I have noticed pronouns are appearing on signatures, can I remind you that for some people adding pronouns can cause difficulty due to beliefs covered in the Equality Act and can also be hurtful to those who are, as yet, unsure.

I am also concerned about X and the news articles, you are making X stand out as different when I hope this is the opposite of what you wish to achieve. EG if a new starter wore a wig it would not be appropriate to send out stories about alopecia or wigs worn for religious reasons.

WildCoasts · 01/05/2022 02:34

Are management maybe just trying to make sure everyone is aware of the legal status of trans people to avoid any legal or workplace issues?

Moodycow78 · 01/05/2022 02:22

I wouldn't focus on being GC at all but have a word with your manager about general email etiquette, there's a lot going on, you get hundreds of emails and 4 on the one topic is too much.

KimikosNightmare · 01/05/2022 01:30

feministqueen · 30/04/2022 23:28

@KimikosNightmare can you explain what you believe gender critics ideology to be?

Why do I need to explain? The OP calls herself "a gender critical" (odd turn of phrase) and wants to email HR because she feels unsafe because a trans person will be joining her workplace.

It's not a good look.

feministqueen · 30/04/2022 23:28

@KimikosNightmare can you explain what you believe gender critics ideology to be?

KimikosNightmare · 30/04/2022 20:24

malloo · 30/04/2022 10:18

If this is genuine, (and I'm not sure it is - something about the way you refer to yourself as 'a gender critical', and also saying you feel 'unsafe' when nothing at all has happened) then I suggest you welcome the trans person into your workplace like you would any other person and just get on with your job. At some point you may find you need to remind HR that your beliefs should be respected but it's not now.

I really hope this isn't genuine but as far as I can tell from the useless search function the OP has been around for a while.

If it is genuine the OP is doing "gender critical" ideology no favours.

DonkeyDogStoleMyBedroom · 30/04/2022 15:24

If this was an attempt to garner screenshots about how nasty us wascally wimmenz are, it's failed miserably.

TolkiensFallow · 30/04/2022 15:17

I call Daily Mail phishing

AgathaAllAlong · 30/04/2022 15:16

It is a protected characteristic, but not in the sense that you get to insulate yourself from receiving these emails. If you were an atheist you wouldn't get to demand that your Christian management not send Christian mail round, for example. Just delete without opening and move on. I really wouldn't email management and remind them, what good would come of it? If they are gender evangelists they will just up the number of emails, if they don't really care, they won't care about your views either.

LauraNicolaides · 30/04/2022 15:12

'Feel unsafe' makes me suspect this is not entirely serious.

It is quite hard to distinguish parody from reality.

GreenWhiteViolet · 30/04/2022 15:06

'Feel unsafe' makes me suspect this is not entirely serious.

Facts, not feelings. If you aren't actually being asked to do anything which goes against your beliefs, there's no problem. Delete the unnecessary emails and get on with your day.

TabithaHazel · 30/04/2022 14:57

If the articles are being sent by the colleague I would ask your manager to remind them that only work related emails should be sent around. If it's your manager sending them, then just politely say that other people's identities are not your concern and you are there to do your job not to be re-educated.

burnoutbabe · 30/04/2022 14:47

if these emails are from the new colleague, i'd probably mention to the manager if they KEPT being sent on the same subject and ignore the few at the start which is more setting out how to treat them (weird but acceptable)

i can't imagine they would keep sending them? surely that would piss everyone off who will be "yeah WE KNOW"

Theunamedcat · 30/04/2022 14:43

Are the emails coming from the manager or from the colleague?

Pebblee · 30/04/2022 14:38

Lol is this a joke?

WallaceinAnderland · 30/04/2022 14:36

OP I am also gender critical and I would not do anything at this stage. I would just delete the emails. The time to speak out would be if they asked me to add pronouns to my emails or attend training, etc. Other than that, I would just get on with my work.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 30/04/2022 14:36

As @ResisterRex said. Do nothing. It will do no good.

In every other circumstance a new employee's 'point of difference' would be held in confidence. No emails, no literature, no propaganda would be sent out explaining their PC etc.

It's one of those things that makes the workplace political with a capital P when it only needs be lowercase.

Collect your own data and hold it ready for rebuttal, should you ever need it.

And try hard not to misgender. Use the person's chosen name at all times, no s/he or they. Just their name.

Now relax.

Toponeniceone · 30/04/2022 14:35

Don't do it op!! It would wind me up something chronic. I think it would be ok if you get another one to say can we keep work emails for work purposes though.

NewBlueGoo · 30/04/2022 14:23

I agree with PPs. You haven't been discriminated against.

At the moment nobody is asking you to do anything except be decent and collegial, which you say you're prepared to do. You've been offered the opportunity to read some articles, but nobody's making you read them, or asking you to discuss them in staff meetings.

The time to complain is if and when there's a problem that your employer has a legal responsibility to resolve.

ChaToilLeam · 30/04/2022 14:18

Keep your powder dry, OP. I’d just ignore the emails. If asked whether you’ve read them, aren’t you just too busy with work, as is appropriate in the workplace?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/04/2022 14:13

Agree, just delete the emails, with or without reading them. Keep your powder dry for if or when something happens.

titchy · 30/04/2022 13:28

OP you're being ridiculous. New starter has joined. They're a 'wibble' which is a protected characteristic. As a team you may not have ever worked with a wibble before so you have been sent some well-meaning, if irritating, emails explaining what it means to be a wibble. No need for anything more because nothing has happened to lead you to feel unsafe or that your legally held views are not being respected.

Wibble can of course mean trans, Jewish, pregnant, Muslim, menopausal, sight-impaired, wheelchair using etc etc. No one would bat an eyelid if a blind colleague joined and you received several emails letting you know how they managed, used voice software etc.

saggyhairyass · 30/04/2022 13:27

I come across emails at work that a contrary to my beliefs too, but I press "delete" and instantly forget about them.

Don't write your email OP. No need.

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