I'm trans so I've never used the school toilets- BBC artical pro gender neutral toilets

Has anyone cleared it with insurance?

Because i garuntee you that whoever was invited in to give this training had zero background in legal issues, safguarding, child development, etc and has a get out clause written in. Implement at own risk.

There will be no fall back to them when this child gets serious. So of insurance don't pay, and the trainers aren't liable then where does that leave you all?

Invited by the school yes, not the staff. And then once the policies are written, staff are obliged to follow them.

Plus, so much of the training on this subject will have you believing that pretending they are the opposite sex is the right thing to do.

Transgender Trend have an excellent article about the psychological damage happening to f teenagers trying to be perceived as one sex, whilst developing the body of another. I wish all those in the BBC using children like this to promote their preferred adult view of the world had an insight into the harm that's being done to them.

www.transgendertrend.com/teenager-says-theyre-transgender/

And I should add that I in no way want my 6'4" DS playing any contact sports with these F-M transpeople. It isn't fair on either party.

Surely these " experts" are invited in though.

Staff can't invite these people in when then simultaneously act like their hands are tied.

Don't invite them in for " training ". Not only can u implement the equality act and safe guarding as needed you can also save yourselves a few quid

There are 3 F-M transpeople in my DSs year and none of them pass. It is sad but from what I have been told they are very isolated, none of the other children talk to them as they fear the repercussions of saying the wrong thing. To say that none of the children know and that this will continue is at best naive.

Staff are doing what they're being advised to do by "experts"

My personal view is that at 13yo, you have a girl who sees its a man's world and therefore wants to be a man, without any deeper understanding. But that's not something you can say out loud in education currently.

How's that gonna go?

Another example of a self-inflicted problem, like the tying-the-shoe-laces-together thing above.

"I reckon this 13-year-old girl can get away with pretending to be male. How about we let her do that now, and we'll all try to keep it up until she leaves school at 18?"

"Why, what a fantastic idea. Can't see any reason not to. In 5 years time she'll be even better at pretending, due to practice, right?"

"Absolutely!"

So in reality the staff are all pretending that this very needy student is the opposite sex to what they actually are, thus going against any common sense safeguarding, plus colluding with what sounds in this case to be some significant psychological issues for this student.
Id bet a small fortune that everyone in school knows this student is female. It’s the emperors new clothes writ large.
as someone has already pointed out about “Felix”, going along with the whole trans issues in children gives those who are suffering from GD, ASD, and other psychological conditions that may make them confused about their identity, as well as those who may be same sex attracted but afraid to come out, gives that child no escape route if they then realise that actually they are Not the opposite sex. How’s that going to work?

What safeguarding?

You are Leaving a female child at risk of a broken neck in a rugby match . Whatever safeguarding you are doing it's shit.

I agree. At 13, most of the boys will only just be hitting puberty. In another coup,dh of years most will tower over a 15 year old girl, with all the benefits of male sex hormones that rage through their body. It will be glaringly obvious that this student actually IS a girl. No matter how good they are at rugby!

And they want to leave them on a rugby field amongst a bunch of boys that have been.lied too for the past god knows how long . How's that gonna go? You think kids will just be ok at that level of deception

Yes and there's a whole industry around reviews, risk assessments and safeguarding.

I agree. At 13, most of the boys will only just be hitting puberty. In another coup,dh of years most will tower over a 15 year old girl, with all the benefits of male sex hormones that rage through their body. It will be glaringly obvious that this student actually IS a girl. No matter how good they are at rugby!

As I said, all the toilets in our newly built school are unisex, single self contained cubicles

They may not know that the child is a girl at the moment @WoodenClock but I can guarantee they will by the time they are 14. Between the ages of 13 and 14, my son grew 5 inches.

That is an appalling lack of safeguarding. I'm really shocked. I would have been furious if I'd found that there was a girl playing rugby with them.

And if you look at the photo of Felix accompanying the article, I can promise you that no one in the school thinks Felix is male.

I have a phobia of certain types of toilets and so in five years of secondary school I never used the school toilets either.

Were the school prepared to install a simple white low level toilet with a white seat just for me? Were they fuck. Wouldn't have even dreamt of asking for something that for my specific psychological needs over everyone else's.

Well let's think. Because child isn't using legal name, because of the toilet issue, because of the behaviour issues, for safeguarding....

Also why can't Felix use the boys toilets if Felix is trans- wouldn't Felix feel more comfortable around boys?

This caught my eye. This can't be right because mostly on here if it was Felicia and MtoF nobody would be saying "use the girls' toilets" would they?

I'm in favour of 3rd spaces if no agreement can be reached, although i understand that is a bit of an issue for some trans people.

We have a F-M child just arrived, at 13yo, at our school. You'd never know and the students don't

They are going to notice pretty soon, as puberty hits. Either the child will go through the 'wrong' puberty, or not go through it at all if on PBs. I hope the school has considered safeguarding, if this child is using the boys' toilets.

So how do you know? If they are able to ‘pass’, then why do staff need to know this is in actual fact a girl dressed as a boy? Hmmm, I wonder?

Poor, poor Felix has been given every option available but still isn't happy. They want unisex facilities but the changing rooms and toilets were chaos at my old school. I can't imagine being that age, using the toilet, and having only a flimsy partition, that anyone could look under or over, separating me from immature boys

Because nothing is ever enough and that's the whole point..everything that gets granted leads to more demands. Because the whole thing relies on being a victim. The focus just becomes something that can't be changed.. in this case the voices. Given an inch amd people take a mile.

The truth may hurt but it would save all the hassle. And everyone can stop bending over backwards to accommodate the impossible.

Is this confusion regarding the meaning of Gender neutral toilets?

Gender neutral doesn't mean only trans/non binary people can use it, it means anybody can. Which means that the boys Felix wishes to avoid at all costs (and having seen what boys' toilets and packs of teenage boys in an adult free zone are like, I can understand it) and the girls they also wish to avoid (and having been a teenager once, I can completely understand why Felix wouldn't want to be in an adult free zone with a pack of teenage girls and how they treat toilet facilities) could both access the same toilets and Felix would therefore experience the issues of toilets frequently covered in male piss and bullying/harassment/sexual harassment from either sex.

I can also understand a wish to avoid the Disabled toilets, as they invariably have the emergency coin opening locks and teenagers being as they are, the possibility of it being opened for a laugh when Felix is in there is a distinct possibility.

What Felix is possibly actually wanting is a private toilet just for Felix. That's not creating a Gender Neutral toilet. I can understand why it would appeal. But that doesn't mean Felix should be led to expect that it's something Felix is entitled to have and that schools have to find the money to provide, clean and monitor.

The staff toilets are for the staff. Not the pupils however they may identify. I don’t think any of the male staff in my school would be happy with a female student walking in on them taking a pee at the urinal TBH. That’s got all kinds of safeguarding alarm bells ringing!

Poor, poor Felix has been given every option available but still isn't happy. They want unisex facilities but the changing rooms and toilets were chaos at my old school. I can't imagine being that age, using the toilet, and having only a flimsy partition, that anyone could look under or over, separating me from immature boys.

When my younger sister was at school the Inbetweeners was big and there is a part on that where they take pictures of one of one of the boys on the toilet over the stall door. So of course loads of the kids started doing this.

So the only option would be to tear down the majority of schools and redesign them with Felix in mind. Where are the parents and why are they encouraging this self indulgent rubbish? Are they not concerned that they are raising a child that will struggle to get a job and fit in?

Felix IS female. Presenting as male (whatever that might mean)