Help with talking to a 12 yr old about trans issues

an odd stance to take when i've been discussing the same thing for 30 odd pages, but carry on making things up. (the irony of this from one of the posters who spends a lot of time discussing with other people how terribly awful I am - if anyones being shut down, its me!

Hilarious post. From someone who got my post deleted because I said the words ‘fuck off’ because you posted how you would not accept posters experiences as parents. Didn’t you accuse someone of libel only a page or so ago? Really most of your posts for days have been accusatory, over-reactionary and, at times, bizarre .

And yes. Your hypocrisy is very clear. I doubt you can refute that you have admonished, denigrated and gone on to demonise the general MN FWR regular posters. Yet, you claim people are trying to silence you.

I also suspect you don’t even read posts properly before posting highly emotive and emotionally reactive statements and ignore any of the substance of the posts. You seem to have ceased to engage many pages ago.

No. I believe I have said before to crack on because it is a live demonstration that readers see and follow. They will go and look up things they are unsure about and make their own decisions. I know others on this thread will also want you to continue with your posts for the same reason.

I don’t believe I have seen one person attempt to ‘silence you’. Disagreement is not silencing. I doubt regular posters have even reported your posts when they cross the line. Because it is good to keep threads as intact as possible.

And the regular posting keeps threads up at the top and keeps them being read.

So please, crack on!

I'm not tone policing anyone.

I think telling posters they are ‘spouting opinions’, telling posters they are ‘patronizing’ and Mumsnet in general they are pontificating pretty much counts as tone policing. I remember earlier posts too but I am not going to bother pointing out more. People reading the thread all at once will have seen them and noticed. Your prejudice is there for all to see.

These boards just don't like anyone having a different opinion.

Actually, many conversations happen with people with different opinions. Rarely though with posters who so quickly descend to denigrating, demonising and admonishing posters. Very rarely with posters who enter the board with a prejudiced view that posters here ‘hate trans people’.

Again, for I don’t know how many times… some posters here have just as much ‘daily’ contact with teenagers who have declared their trans identities. Rather than the ‘faux concern’ you accused posters of at the start of this thread, these are loved ones. And again, we are involved in many more expansive ways than merely being in school conditions with these teens and a children. I don’t know any posters on this thread who warranted such accusations as you have flung out.

It's perfectly OK to be sarcastic, rude and flippant to me, but everyone's mightily offended at me doing the same back, all while chatting to each other about how dreadful I am

Nah. You have even admitted just how combative your posts are. You don’t answer questions, you simply use posts as an opportunity to continue ad hominem attacks and leave the questions unanswered.

Please do crack on. Because I am sure that another four pages will be very informative for everyone.

Just wanted to say that I think in remember your posts on other threads- advanced search is still useless. And I hear you.

Do you actually read posts? Or just assume everything is about you?

Fuck that is funny!

Huh? 😂

Because you cant fuck something off just because you dont like it.

Civilisations in all hemispheres and ages has progressed without teenage girls feeling a need to cut their breasts off. Just FUCK OFF with this shit that it's normal to get your tits cut off! Look to porn, look to money, look to men oppressing women. but stop this crap narrative that it is inate in females to cut off a beautiful, life-giving, and meaningful part of our body.

Quite fucking frankly, with all of the evidence now collected of the harm that trans ideology is causing, it should have been fucked off by now. Strangely enough, this oppressed and marginalised ideology, backed by big pharma and billionaire transgender males, is still going strong. We wonder why? We wonder why??

Because I'm not stupid.

@stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou

What makes you think I'm talking about you?

Oh hello again.

I did attempt to make sense of your comment but failed

I've been following and posting on this thread since the start. Complete fuckery, headfuck, nonsense from some endz. But that's part for the course I suppose

I'm not tone policing anyone. These boards just don't like anyone having a different opinion. It's perfectly OK to be sarcastic, rude and flippant to me, but everyone's mightily offended at me doing the same back, all while chatting to each other about how dreadful I am.

Takes me back to the playground days.

To suggest I sit by and let pupils be sexually assaulted is.

Shutting down discussion?

an odd stance to take when i've been discussing the same thing for 30 odd pages, but carry on making things up. (the irony of this from one of the posters who spends a lot of time discussing with other people how terribly awful I am - if anyones being shut down, its me!)

You've all been so patient, wot with gish galloping all over the place. And, mostly, very polite.

Unless you are implying that people are incapable of committing sexual assault until they turn 18, that is precisely the point.

We plan for the worst, and keep female spaces female only, because we can never know which male person is going to be abusive. But assuming someone is safe because they have not been implicated in behaviour facilitates violence against women!

People do not walk around with hovering signs above their heads saying "I will commit sexual assault, given the opportunity". A DBS check is only ever evidence that someone hasn't been caught yet, not a certification of sainthood. While we're on the subject, abuse victims often delay making allegations out of fear of reprisal, or fear of the investigative process, or their own state of denial.

If a hypothetical young person is accused of sexually assaulting multiple people at university, it would be more likely that they had also engaged in abusive behaviour at school and sixth form, than it would be that they had had a complete personality change during Freshers' Week.

Anyone want to explain which bit might be "not true"? Do sexual offenders walk around with neon signs above their heads?

How so?

P.S. you're not even posting under your real name, so no, my posts are not "libellous".

It always ends up the same way, doesn't it? An attempt to shame us into thinking differently, then aggression, then name calling. No acknowledgment that we have done our homework, we have done years of research, these are our own children caught up in this. No, no, we're just wrong and ignorant and blah blah blah. Same old same old. Seen it a thousand times.

Yes, the hypocrisy was writ large there. Good video to see the lack of solid foundation behind the constant need to shut down discussion.

Bits of this thread remind me of this one Helleofabore. Mainly the bit where they're on top of the building shouting abuse

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4549136-peter-boghossian

I just put it down to the constant denigration we have seen on this and other threads.

When posters who are desperate to tone police everyone else but cannot see the blatant hypocrisy in their own posts using words like ‘pontificating’ ‘spouting opinions’ as a most recent example, the hyperbole and hypocrisy will just keep on coming.

It really is same old, same old isn’t it? Denigrate, demonise, falsely attribute, name call, admonish, virtue signal … then rinse and repeat.

Like here. When boys and men are worth less.tham women

This is a feminist board. Most (all?) of us love our fathers, sons, male friends, partners, brothers etc. As feminists we analyse a patriarchal society and centre women in our analysis. That's not hating men - except when teenagers claim establishing boundaries means I hate them
I recall stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou that some of your your first frenzied posts were about how we dislike boys and men. Few, if any of us, do.

Mmm.My friend took her boss to a tribunal last year for ridiculous behaviour. He claimed he had supported her.

She won.

Imagine.

I am.

I obviously dont think that, but posters on these boards do.