Help with talking to a 12 yr old about trans issues

It wasn't actually meant as a criticism.

It was in agreement to the fact that even though I clearly have opposite views, I don't agree with many of Stonewall's antics either. For once, I actually wasn't being awkward!

At no point did I say or imply that. I don't need your input, thanks.

I was correcting your misunderstanding that Stonewall has input in every case. It doesn't.

Many of us feel the same way about Stonewall as you do.

Right, but I never actually said I was a world expert based on one service day, did I? I gave the example of the most recent training, as I did earlier as we did our LGBT youth last week. Never claimed I'm a world expert on that either.

Aye, course. Some of the most ridiculous things I've seen have come from more experienced teachers. I don't think it's anything to do with experience (hence why I'm knocking back the jibes about my 'expertise', because it's just my opinion/observations).

Good for you. I wasn't talking about you, nor addressing you.

But I don't. And I didn't say anything to give the impression that I do.

@stopwaitingforpermissiontobeyou well, that's the specific experience that you referred to when explaining your expertise about what being a corporate parent is. So, yes.

I'm sure you're not a probationary teacher. Doesn't make you infallible as I'm sure you'd agree. Some of the longest serving teachers can operate under a misapprehension, and some of the newest ones can be absolutely on it.

I'm going to say this very slowly.

I didn't make an error.

I also never claimed to "have an area of expertise", what a silly comment to make. I don't believe anyone has "expertise" in that sense because everyone's experiences are different.

I honestly think next time I will NC and pretend I'm of a different occupation as it is really boring taking this constant hammering.

Well aware.
However, as previously stated, our kudos at the start of this term was that LAC refers to all children who have been looked after, at any point, at all, by anyone.

Of course, I could be a mad fantasist making all of this up, but even I'm not that sad.

It has just occurred to me it might be different in Scotland though. We are led by our councils, on the whole.

Absolutely. Where possible Social Services will always try for a kinship fostering placement to maintain a child in their family.

We don't. I have worked in "Stonewall" schools, (and met Ian McKellen for the privilege) but I don't currently.

For fucks sake.

Do you honestly think I'm arguing my case from one in service day? If it suits you to believe I'm some excited probationer, that's absolutely fine.

I am telling a poster what MY experience is with certain terms. Is that allowed?

Incidentally, continuing to take swipes at my experience is fine, but it makes it a one way street. I think some of the views on here are ridiculous, but I would never, ever take a swipe at someone as a parent.

I'm not sure why you are telling me this (not even on a professional level, I'm well aware).

It's me who clarified the LAC term. My point was that it never used to be thus.

You forget that parents can also be teachers, social workers, work in this area and have as much or more knowledge than what you may have gleaned from one session on an INSET day.

Yes. Watching Allison Bailey's tribunal has been astonishing. That anyone is taking legal (or any other kind of) advice from an organisation like Stonewall is utterly shocking.

I think what this thread is quickly showing is that parents dont know as much about what they think we do as it appears.

Er, because you are telling us you are a 'corporate parent' when you are clearly not, that shows that parents don't know much?

There's no shame in making an error. The problem is when someone claims to have an area of expertise (working with children in schools) yet misunderstands / misrepresents areas of policy / good practice / the law.

The training re trans issues in schools has been outrageous in so many ways rogdmum. I know a lot about safeguarding and pastoral care - as a practitioner and in advising schools about the law and good practice. That's why I recognise all the safeguarding breaching / poor pastoral care practice from numerous trans group "training" providers. It's a scandal that they've been allowed to weigh in on education areas that they have zero qualifications / experience in.

"Looked-after child" has a very specific meaning. It doesn't mean staying with an aunt or grandparent or other relative. Although a LAC may well be placed with relatives, if they are a looked-after child they are in the care of the state, even if living with relatives, including parents.

I would say theres a mismatch here.

The latest guidance suggests that looked after children include any child who has ever been looked after (even with a relative) in their life.

@rogdmum I think what this thread is quickly showing is that parents dont know as much about what they think we do as it appears. Of course every aithorityis different though.

Just another example of wrong training providers can get things. 😡

In the interests of legal accuracy: What is a corporate parent?
The Children and Social Work Act 2017 says that when a child or young person comes into the care of the local authority, or is under 25 and was looked-after by the authority for at least 13 weeks after their 14th birthday, the authority becomes their corporate parent

From the Local Government Association:
www.local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/15.11%20Corporate%20parenting_v05.pdf
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I didn’t word the second paragraph well. I was trying to generalise beyond in loco parentis vs corporate parent. But in this example, if you (general) believe that in loco parentis is exchangable with the term corporate parent, it is easy to see how someone might mistakenly think that the powers and responsibilities under corporate parent might also apply to in loco parentis, when in fact there are large differences

And it is important if you care about accuracy (which I do).

If you find my opinion or experience of a word worrying, you need to consider how over invested you are.

I havent hot a bloody clue what point yourr trying to make with your second paragraph _will I just assume it's another slur o my judgement and capability? It's been at least a page since I was a danger

I believe people can change gender. I believe children should have their pronouns and choices respected. I dont refer to it as nonsense or an ideology.

I didnt say I was!
But as I was the idiot spending hours at a recent in service drawing bloody mind maps and team challenges of what I need to do in my role as a corporate parent, il decide what it is that we are told!