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Transwoman claims Tampax have offered sponsorship

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DomesticatedZombie · 28/04/2022 18:32

Dylan, currently on 'Day 47 of being a girl' claims Tampax have been in touch.

www.instagram.com/p/CbiQWjUpXXd/

Why?

'Dylan was using a public restroom when a fellow woman called out if she had a tampon, Dylan shyly replying ‘no’.
Afterwards, she decided to buy some to keep in the house and in her purse for all her girlfriends, ending the video with “women support women.” It seemed that Tampax were quite interested in working with Dylan afterwards. What an incredible outcome!'

www.boredpanda.com/trans-tiktoker-documents-journey

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ScreamingMeMe · 06/05/2022 09:11

It's up to the person who made the claim to provide evidence, not for Tampax to prove a negative. Of course they don't want to get involved in this batshittery. How many times have we said on here that we wish companies would just ignore TRAs and It's the best thing to do?

ScreamingMeMe · 06/05/2022 09:07

Of course Tampax didn't approach Dylan. He's clearly on a wind-up and attention seeking and he's getting exactly what he wanted. 🙄

Robinni · 06/05/2022 09:05

Wouldn’t it make more sense to generate a collective letter to Tampax to ask them what is going on? Before trying to pin the blame on Dylan. You don’t have to like them but fabricating ideas about their motivations without facts to determine their validity is putting cart before horse.

Mandodari · 06/05/2022 08:54

ScreamingMeMe · 06/05/2022 08:05

I'm still of the opinion that Dylan is a troll.

Not a troll, a self publicist happy to become famous on the backs of women whilst happy to make a mockery of everything we are.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/05/2022 08:26

That's a lot of PR for someone unknown.

Isn't it.

ScreamingMeMe · 06/05/2022 08:05

I'm still of the opinion that Dylan is a troll.

Furries · 05/05/2022 23:46

I may have missed it, but where is the proof that Tampax even considered this? I mean, Dylan might SAY that it’s a mad idea. But Dylan could just be very clever at generating social media interest.

Happy to be corrected. But it seems to be that Dylan is playing to a large SM audience with a hefty dose of “gee, little old me” thrown in for good measure.

imagine that level of “ingenuity” if full-on self-ID becomes the norm.

Am waiting for the one brave TW to go public with proof of their periods (in a parallel universe).

Mandodari · 05/05/2022 17:04

@Fatsdominosdomino
I just read the responses. I loved the comment that applicators are needed for women with short fingers. Why do I get the impression that that was written by someone who has and never will need sanpro.

Mandodari · 05/05/2022 16:52

@DomesticatedZombie
My body forced a sneeze out before allowing me adequate time to put my mug down. I was covered in coffee and one of the dogs was traumatised by the combination of sneezing and swearing. I feel so violated by me. 😥

Fatsdominosdomino · 05/05/2022 16:11

Robinni · 04/05/2022 19:49

I don’t think the problem is Dylan here and it is counterproductive if anyone posts anything attacking them as all that will happen is that all of our space to discuss this - poof disappears!!!

The real concern is that a major manufacturer of women’s sanitary products may have considered employing a transwoman - biologically male in an advertising campaign. Which as Dylan appeared to agree is the height of madness.

So I hope Tampax are able to explain themselves… personally I never used them anyway but I would avoid now after this.

Sorry, I thought I had managed to quote you. I meant to say that yes, I agree with you here, completely. The real concern is that Tampax considered this.

Fatsdominosdomino · 05/05/2022 16:10

I agree with you.

I googled Dylan as I wanted to learn more about them, as I had never heard of them and they seemed to have appeared out of nowhere. There are articles on The Skimm and Good Morning America about them and their TikTok. That's a lot of PR for someone unknown.

April 15 Good Morning America:
www.goodmorningamerica.com/living/story/trans-tiktokker-shares-transition-journey-millions-vulnerability-power-83940893

April 27, The Skimm
www.theskimm.com/news/i-never-got-to-be-a-girl-growing-up-dylan-mulvaney-on-sharing-her-transition-7CxVrgDegglZ9lxEmORXPz

Robinni · 04/05/2022 19:49

I don’t think the problem is Dylan here and it is counterproductive if anyone posts anything attacking them as all that will happen is that all of our space to discuss this - poof disappears!!!

The real concern is that a major manufacturer of women’s sanitary products may have considered employing a transwoman - biologically male in an advertising campaign. Which as Dylan appeared to agree is the height of madness.

So I hope Tampax are able to explain themselves… personally I never used them anyway but I would avoid now after this.

PonyPatter44 · 04/05/2022 18:27

@nightwakingmoon thank you again - your posts are bloody brilliant!

Fatsdominosdomino · 04/05/2022 17:56

DomesticatedZombie · 04/05/2022 15:38

We have monitors who like to control what women can and can't say. They can and do make reports - it used to be the case you didn't even need to be a Mumsnet member to report a post, not sure if that's still true.

But if certain words are used, or if enough reports/allegations are made, sometimes posts get deleted.

I think that's a shame and hope that this thread doesn't get deleted. I went back to this article today to see if Tampax has made any statement but there is nothing there yet. I DID notice that comments are not deleted there, not even the threats to the author. adland.tv/adnews/did-tampax-really-reach-out-dylan-mulvaney-collaboration-tiktok

Battytwatty · 04/05/2022 16:56

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Battytwatty · 04/05/2022 16:55

@nightwakingmoon thank you for that! Lots of detail I was not aware of myself. Hope your post manages to stay this time

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 04/05/2022 16:28

The monitors are a particularly unpleasant group of misgoynists on Twitter who, as DomesticatedZombie says, make it their business to control what we can and can't say.

I expect that in the past they'd have been busy reporting local women for witchcraft and the like.

DomesticatedZombie · 04/05/2022 15:38

oakleaffy · 04/05/2022 13:03

I think it’s because MN are more worried about losing advertising revenue- Hence having to be seen to support transwomen .
Actual woman can go to hell.
Our feelings don’t matter, clearly, as long as a self ID ing male can call themselves a “ Woman” and get into Women’s spaces.

Mansnet it is fast becoming at this rate ( Expects deletion)

We have monitors who like to control what women can and can't say. They can and do make reports - it used to be the case you didn't even need to be a Mumsnet member to report a post, not sure if that's still true.

But if certain words are used, or if enough reports/allegations are made, sometimes posts get deleted.

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nightwakingmoon · 04/05/2022 15:12

A basic graphic:

Transwoman claims Tampax have offered sponsorship
Transwoman claims Tampax have offered sponsorship
nightwakingmoon · 04/05/2022 15:04

Mandodari · 30/04/2022 16:16

@BackAgain777
Found this on aforum about why do transwomen pretend they gave periods. It would be laughable if it wasn't so annoying, especially the comments about biology and womanhood
"I mean trans women can't menustrate but they can have hormonal cycles, cramping, mood swings, and other PMS symptoms. Obviously, if you don't have a uterus then you won't bleed but the body reacts to hormones at a certain level accordingly regardless if a uterus is involved or not. Uterus shed the lining but other period symptoms come from hormones. Trans women who experience these symptoms are doing so because of their hormonal makeup. That's just biology.
They mentioned trans men and balls. Trans men I know who've had scrotoplasty do squeeze their balls. I think people forget that medical transition is a thing that alters the body.
Posting bloody underwear is weird to me in general. I think womanhood should not be linked to periods or at least periods shouldn't be a prominent part of womanhood."

Every time I post this bit of FACTUAL MEDICAL INFORMATION IN EVERY BASIC GYNAECOLOGICAL TEXTBOOK the thread gets deleted (funny, huh?) - but here goes:

  • periods are controlled by a complex interaction of over 7 hormones including progesterone, GnRH, FSH, LH, inhibin A, inhibin B, activin, and oestrogen
  • the activity of the corpus luteum (the discarded body of the unfertilised egg) releases LH and triggers the hormone changes during the last stage of the cycle
  • period pain and PMS/period symptoms happen because there is a sharp DROP in oestrogen and progesterone levels around days 23-25
  • it’s the drop in progesterone that triggers PMS and menstruation, causing prostaglandins to be released in the muscle of the uterus (which causes period pain, bloating etc.). (Progesterone inhibits prostaglandin production in the uterus, so when it drops, prostaglandins - inflammatory hormones - start to rise)
  • oestrogen is at its very lowest point in the cycle when this happens, and may be actually pretty unimportant in triggering period symptoms - they happen when it is effectively nearly absent and resolve when it starts to rise again
  • how then can transwomen, who take a fixed dose of oestrogen throughout the month (and rarely if ever take even progesterone, never mind any of the other hormones), be experiencing a pseudo period when it’s the absence of oestrogen and progesterone that causes menstruation and premenstrual symptoms….? Ever wonder why it’s called hormone REPLACEMENT therapy? The additional oestrogen is meant to stop these symptoms happening - that’s the entire point.
These MEDICAL FACTS about the hormones in the menstrual cycle can indisputably be found anywhere in basic medical literature, but weirdly enough every time I post them on even the most unthreatening thread, the thread goes poof. As if someone doesn’t quite like medical facts being pointed out. It’s happened about four times now. Not gonna stop pointing it out though, because the “hormones really CAN give TW a period!” stuff seems to be lapped up by young girls online who have no knowledge about how their own bodies work.

<checks watch> see how long this one lasts.

oakleaffy · 04/05/2022 13:03

Fatsdominosdomino · 03/05/2022 19:56

There was an earlier thread that has now been removed that began with an article from a marketing magazine, stating that Tampax and Procter&Gamble haven't responded to a request for comment.

adland.tv/adnews/did-tampax-really-reach-out-dylan-mulvaney-collaboration-tiktok

I think Dylan is simply lying about being contacted at all, but I don't understand why Tampax won't clarify.

I see a lot of comments are being removed in this thread too, and I hope it doesn't get removed because I would really like to see Tampax being forced to clarify here.

I think it’s because MN are more worried about losing advertising revenue- Hence having to be seen to support transwomen .
Actual woman can go to hell.
Our feelings don’t matter, clearly, as long as a self ID ing male can call themselves a “ Woman” and get into Women’s spaces.

Mansnet it is fast becoming at this rate ( Expects deletion)

DomesticatedZombie · 04/05/2022 12:25

Mandodari · 04/05/2022 11:22

"It’s a reminder of the uncontrollable decisions my body makes without my approval"

Have you ever heard such self pitying whinging in all your life . Complaining because your body is working the way nature intended it to. As to the others saying they love their bodies except when they have their periods, yeah well, welcome to reality. Life isn't all rainbows and fairy dust.
The more I read about trans identity the more I think its about people not wanting to grow up and accept that life has its bad bits as well as it good bits.

It's actually quite funny. Do we have people complaining about other involuntary bodily functions/responses, too? Is a pulse oppressive? Is the in/out action of breathing just infuriatingly binary? That autonomic nervous system is SO UNFAIR.

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NitroNine · 04/05/2022 11:59

When I’ve been asked for sanitary protection (it’s happened a few times) it was:
• by people I know
• (bar twice) while I was in my teens
• for sanitary towels
• quietly & in [semi-]private

I do seem to be some kind of Head Girl Emerita though: I get asked for directions even when I’m abroad; & am the person who gets asked for plasters/hair grips/mints/paracetamol/change for a larger denomination of cash/advice on things/information about things [I apparently just look like someone who knows about Early Modern musical instruments/the evolution of the pointe shoe/C19 othering of prostitutes] so people asking me seems logical[ish]?

I have also had to ask - but again, I always asked for sanitary towels, & again, did so discreetly - a couple of times: loo roll would only do me long enough to track down some proper sanitary protection unless I used a whole roll. Only once since leaving school, when admitted to hospital after a series of seizures. In my pre-ictal brain-wobble I’d taken the wee bag with tampons & towels in out of my bag & not put it back (I think something to do with my using period pants; epilepsy brain did not factor in irregularity of my cycle); & post-ictal I couldn’t have managed any part of going to the hospital shop to purchase some. So I had to ask the ward staff; & I was given some kind of post-partum paper pants: they could actually cope with my flow, so maybe they’re what all these TW who’re so desperate to be “part of the process” should invest in to hand out.

Or, alternatively, trans women could accept that as, while they may identify as female they are male; they do not have any part in the various “processes” occurring in ladies’ loos; & their presence in said facilities is actively preventing some women from using them.

The sheer breathtaking entitlement of demanding womanhood not be defined by periods… Female people not having periods obviously doesn’t exclude them from womanhood in the same way that limb differences don’t exclude people from being human. But trying to pretend away this defining characteristic - especially when so many women & girls (particularly in the global south) continue to suffer [in many cases irreparable] harm - including exclusion from education as a consequence of menstruating is grotesque. Those are oppressed & marginalised people. Much as FGM - unlike “saying words people do not like” - is literal violence. As is infanticide - in which one might include the abandonment of female neonates with no attempt to protect them/cause them to [much less ensure they will] be found alive. And indeed femicide, which occurs at a quite staggering rate all around the globe.

Mandodari · 04/05/2022 11:22

"It’s a reminder of the uncontrollable decisions my body makes without my approval"

Have you ever heard such self pitying whinging in all your life . Complaining because your body is working the way nature intended it to. As to the others saying they love their bodies except when they have their periods, yeah well, welcome to reality. Life isn't all rainbows and fairy dust.
The more I read about trans identity the more I think its about people not wanting to grow up and accept that life has its bad bits as well as it good bits.

Robinni · 04/05/2022 10:58

How transmen feel about getting their period, thought this was interesting.

helloclue.com/articles/cycle-a-z/what-it's-like-to-get-your-period-when-you're-trans