Just had the labour candidate at my door

I understand this is an emotive issue. But is it really something that should dictate government, given the massive issues we are facing? The current lot have been one Boris-looks-after-his-rich-mates-and-fuck-the-people scandal after another. Is there really anything AT ALL in BJs conduct that indicates he gives a flying fuck about women, assigned at birth or otherwise? Literally ANYTHING that indicates he values and respects women as people?

I think it’s a really stupid hill for labour to die on, don’t get me wrong. But I’d rather have a bit of a mess over trans issues and a functioning NHS, a fit for purpose welfare system and a government that is not siphoning public money into their own pockets at every possible opportunity. I’m not saying it isn’t an issue, just that’s it pales in comparison to actual fuckwittery from this lot. I think women are being played here.

I stood as a candidate once and the local party had a longstanding story about a local elderly man who did this.

Now when the local parties used to do more “getting out the vote” stuff they would often promise a lift to the polling station to voters who said they would vote for them. Come Election Day, the local party would send a car round to find…a car from every other political party also waiting. The man always had a choice of transport to the polling booth 😂 They got wise to this after a few years, but he still got sent a car every so often 🤣

Given Gordon Brown was recorded saying that bigotted woman....

I must be boring, I tell each canvassing person regardless of party "yeah you have my vote, life long supporter!" And they smile and say thanks and walk off, and I close the front door and return to a life of peace and quiet 😂

I even tell the jahova witness people, I'm a convert and I will see them in paradise 😳

I'm going to hell aren't I? 😂

I asked my Labour candidate (definitely the candidate) what a woman was when he came round the other day. He looked utterly bewildered so I then explained why I was asking, why this was relevant to the local elections & what Keir Starmer had said on the issue. He went off saying that he’d tell HQ what I’d said but he never actually answered the question.

I just learned of the NIP, one of the leaders got a settlement over antisemitism,. I was briefly intrigued, as an alternative to not voting or spoiling my ballot. But they're worse than the Greens. Self ID all the way. Couldn't find anything about women on their manifesto. I think co-leader is a tw.

I have no problem believing this. 4 of our local labour candidates have been involved in attacking GC views online. For the last general election I made similar points to OP to a Green canvasser who sent me a long letter in response explaining that I'd been brainwashed by the far right! Young blinkered politicos live in their own ideological bubble and genuinely believe that anyone expressing views about sex-based rights is a bigot. Some of them say it out loud.

To be fair, the OP may have misheard and thought a canvasser was the candidate but she didn’t say it was an MP who called her names.

@tabbycatstripy i agree if it’s true it’s significant. The problem with that is how do you envisage ever being able to verify that? Truth is you can’t, but what you will do, and what we all do, is allow heresay and rumour to colour our opinion and consequently real life decisions.

objectively we are all susceptible to it but it’s daft to knowingly embrace it. I’m not trying to be argumentative I just feel that in a world with so much misinformation and propaganda pumped out on an hourly basis by anyone with nothing more than the will to plant seeds to take on their own life, it’s important to sort the wheat from the chaff so to speak. Remember there is very little regulation on what can be published (and it is published) on an Internet forum, even your most basic media rag has to maintain certain standards.

Fwiw I don’t think the OP is necessarily lying, I do question her version of events and the role of the person involved. I don’t really expect her to give her location, but equally I’m not going to give weight to the ‘Labour’ representative part without knowing for sure that 1. It was actually the MP themselves as originally stated and 2. Whether someone who is verifiable is involved.

if it was a canvasser and not the candidate this seems quite believable- I've had labour canvassers who were young, woke type men and looked aghast when I asked them about this issue, there was a definite twitchiness and looking over their shoulders ( like, OMG, rescue me, I've ended up with a bigot), and I think if they'd been less well brought up words like bigot might have been uttered.

I would be surprised to hear this from an actual candidate though.

I had Labour on the doorstep this week, they do know that Women are adult female humans

Are you sure about that?
thecritic.co.uk/labour-is-failing-women/

‘why are you interested in statements that have a 50/50 chance of being complete fairytales? I wouldn’t want my opinion to be coloured by untruths for obvious reasons.’

For the simple reason that (if it is true) it‘a important. I don’t expect the OP to give out personal information.

“She called me a racist Daily Mail reader”

Utterly unbelievable- can’t you do better?

Why do you say "even a Tory one"? Most Tories I've encountered have been of the Voltaire "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" persuasion when they disagree. It's Labour and the SNP who seem to be keen on calling other people "scum".

Phone autocorrect * Labour

I had Labour on the doorstep this week, they do know that Women are adult female humans and agreed that things need to change. I am floating voter but we need things to change

So our local labor MP is great… but I just can’t bring myself to vote labor.

Boris is a tool and always has been so I couldn’t vote for him either.

so last time I didn’t vote… felt so sad but there really wasn’t a better of the bad options.

I absolutely do not believe any canvasser (even a Tory one) would openly insult and belittle a voter and then trot off.

A lib/dem canvasser called me a bigot when I raised this issue before the last GE. At first she didn't know anything about it and then she suddenly knew enough to call me a bigot.

I always voted lib/dem right up until the coalition. Needless to say they did not get my vote last time and they're not likely to get it again anytime soon.

It should be easy enough to look up your areas candidates online and check @porridgecake and yes this thread would be unfair to the actual candidate if it was a canvasser (personally I’d give them a heads up that’s how they’re being represented - they might not care, but then again they might) and I agree that it would be an awful representation for any party.

I agree with your core sentiments btw but it seems your problem is less with Labours stance (even though you disagree) and more the individual you dealt with.

She called you a racist daily Mail reader and then stomped off?

The Labour canvasser at my door behaved similarly last week apparently a woman is someone who is born a woman and someone who decides to be a woman and both uses of someone mean the same thing.

Our labour candidate just ignores you he made all the right noises on the doorstep ignored my follow up email with more details and hasn't been seen here since

My green party candidate has just voted to put unnecessary housing on greenbelt land instead of the unused unallocated brownfield sites (the greenbelt land thsts full of wildlife btw) and the Conservative party candidate that's been involved in a sex scandal

FOR FUCKS SAKE WHO CAN I VOTE FOR

But was she the candidate or just someone asking how you plan to vote?