Just had the labour candidate at my door

@user1471504747 I agree with you, and I'm not a TRA ! it's beyond naive to think that because some Tories have seen this as an issue and can chuck us a soundbite they will actually DO anything...we've seen very clearly that they are liars and not to be trusted. If there was a different leadership and we had a government who were sincere, serious people then I might be weighing up their stance on protecting women versus their stance on poverty and public services. But they aren't.
The whole thing is going to implode quite soon I think and we need to nudge towards that and show the dissenting voices in the Labour party- the only party who have a chance of getting rid of the Tories- that they have a chance to be truly on the right side of history. There will be inquiries and law suits and judicial reviews and all sorts. As a PP said, this happened under the Tories' watch, they will suffer for this, hopefully.

and you should find your local candidate - easy enough to do on the internet - and that candidate should be made aware that their canvassers are bringing them into disrepute.

Yes. These immature people shouldn't be insulting people on their own doorstep due to their own ideological views, the candidates deserve better.

I don't think Labour or anyone else would be able to perform a miracle turnaround in the NHS, there might be a small improvement but things are so dire now I don't see how it can be quickly fixed.

Are you not scared that it will get worse under the Tories?

Won’t put it all on here but all I’ve spoken to him about recently is a local issue and some questions on a newsletter regarding bus funding (riveting, I know)

Bus funding is important. Public transport is important. Parts of the country are still living with the radical change from the Beeching cuts. Bus links can mean the difference between living somewhere affordable and somewhere not, travelling to work or not and having access to shops and essential services. For women in abusive relationships, they can mean the difference between seeking help and not.

I am curious about your own stance on women's sex-based rights, though, User - your posts are a little evasive!

The problem is that I bloody despite the Tories and all they stand for. I can't believe what they've gotten away with in the last few years. The level of corruption and nepotism is mindblowing and what's even worse is that they've got the arrogance not to care who knows it.

Do the Tories genuinely care about women's rights? Of course not. They're just smart enough to spot a gap in the voting electorate.

I don't think Labour or anyone else would be able to perform a miracle turnaround in the NHS, there might be a small improvement but things are so dire now I don't see how it can be quickly fixed. For this coming election women's rights and self-ID is the issue that I'm focussing on. I hope by the time the next election arrives we'll have moved on from this stupid phase in society.

YY exactly my position too.

I’ve not actually gotten as far as asking him yet, but it is on my list. Won’t put it all on here but all I’ve spoken to him about recently is a local issue and some questions on a newsletter regarding bus funding (riveting, I know).

Unfortunately I don’t think I’ll agree with what he says, or I actually wouldn’t be too surprised if he wasn’t too clued up with the issues actually. But unless he says something really extreme he’s still got my vote as a vote for anyone except Lib Dem’s in my area is a vote for tory. The other parties don’t even bother trying round here

I wonder if it’ll be included in any party’s election manifestos, and also if not why not

I've been wondering the same thing (long time poster by the way and hopefully my name will indicate that I'm not a TRA plant :)).

Labour is tiny in my area and I’m probably putting myself but we’re probably one of the few places where Lib Dem’s are the only ones with a chance against the conservatives so I vote for them. The local candidate lives nearby, genuinely cares about local issues as they affect him too, and has been genuinely supportive over a number of issues people have had.

What are that LD candidate's views on women/sex-based rights?

Yes, they (most notably Boris) have SAID the right things on the issue, but it’s not clear what they’re actually going to do

I suppose you could say that with most things political though really. Unfortunately for me actions speak louder than words and although I do agree with some things that have been said, I don’t agree with the vast majority of the actions.

I wonder if it’ll be included in any party’s election manifestos, and also if not why not.

What’s a TRA tactic about pointing out that a lot of the issues have happened while the conservatives are in government, and also I think the generally well accepted fact that yes their policies on austerity do disproportionately affect women?

Nothing. I'm also intrigued to know what the Tory party policy is wrt women, identity based on sex, funding for women-only services, etc. (the things that matter to us). Is it party policy officially or just a few individuals who for whatever reason (either being genuine or expediency) happen to say the right thing?

That is really bad and not a good technique before a local election

What’s a TRA tactic about pointing out that a lot of the issues have happened while the conservatives are in government, and also I think the generally well accepted fact that yes their policies on austerity do disproportionately affect women?

Anyway I’ll leave it now as I don’t want to disdain the thread arguing with a brick wall

Even if you don’t want to answer the questions it would be good to know why there such bad questions or why you think what I’m saying is either untrue, invalid, or unimportant.

Ive asked them on several threads and I’m not saying anyone particularly owes me time out of their day to answer them but it is interesting that they either get ignored or, if resdponded to, just dismissed without reason

But you’re unable to answer my question?

As a person living not too far off the poverty line, unfortunately I can’t afford to pick to be a one issue voter. Our local conservative candidate is a nasty piece of work and even if he knows what a women is (I can’t actually ask him as weirdly enough he avoids our area as if it’s a plague town) that doesn’t undo all the shit he’s done for my community, and how he’s voted on many many issues in parliament. And I’ve felt the conservatives have done the same on a national scale while in power.

Labour is tiny in my area and I’m probably putting myself but we’re probably one of the few places where Lib Dem’s are the only ones with a chance against the conservatives so I vote for them. The local candidate lives nearby, genuinely cares about local issues as they affect him too, and has been genuinely supportive over a number of issues people have had.

I’ve asked this on a couple of threads before but never recieved an answer.

To those saying they will vote conservative for women’s rights, I’d be really interested to know:

1. It was under the conservative government that this all happened. Trans women in refuges, women’s hospital wards and prisons. Changes to changing rooms. Mermaids in every school etc etc. What are the tories doing to stop and reverse these changes?

2. How do you settle all that with the fact tory policies in general disproportionately affect women?

@SpidersAreShitheads

Also, there won’t be any women’s spaces left. Hospitals and refuges will not be funded, and your private health insurance will cater for transphobics. Prisons will be outsourced to Ruwanda.

It’s utterly self defeating for women to vote for a party based on their stance on who is allowed in Women’s spaces, when it’s a party who don’t believe women should have those spaces in the first place, and are actively removing them. The fucking Tories must be in hysterical fits of laughter that the public is swallowing this one. I don’t know how they keep a straight face around the camera.

I believe you porridge and like you, I am also politically homeless. Can't vote Tory but can't vote Labour either.

Well I had a totally opposite experience with my local labour doorstoppers. I told them that if labour's stance on women was different, that I'd have displayed a poster, but as it stands I just can't - even though I desperately want this bloody criminal Tory lot out. They agreed wholeheartedly (some young men and the female middle aged candidate).

They told me that they had been hearing my opinion from many other women and that there was dissent internally in the party and that 'progress was being made' to a more sensible stance that protects women's rights. I told them to hurry up as that vile creep Johnson seemed to be getting the message right (ffs it pained me to say that) and that Starmer needs to up his game -right now.

They agreed.

So, there are sensible Labour folks out there, which frankly is a relief.

OP, sorry but I disagree that you should report your thread. Regardless of canvasser or candidate, they were a representative of the Labour Party, and they should be named and shamed. Abusing someone on their doorstep is not a good look for Labour and they should be informed, and you should find your local candidate - easy enough to do on the internet - and that candidate should be made aware that their canvassers are bringing them into disrepute. DON'T back down, this NEEDS to be named and publicised. At the very, very least, the candidate should be contacted and made aware of what is going on.

That's the whole fucking problem. We give in so easily. THAT is how this whole 'transwomen are the real victims' get started. THEY never back down, do they??? So why should you?

@SpidersAreShitheads

If someone like you, who is clearly an intelligent and sympathetic person, is even considering voting for a government who’s leader is practically the poster boy for entitled misogyny, then Tory it will be and all women are going to fucked over any way. And a lot of men too. How on earth do the Tories ever get voted in? I can’t understand it.

I’ve always said I’d never want to live anywhere but Britain, but really, I don’t think I want to live here anymore. It’s awful what they’re doing to ordinary people.