Just had the labour candidate at my door

The stories will do anything to be re-elected. They are corrupt. They should be massacred at the next elections. They wont be because Labour is a mysogynist party. Maybe if voters send a clear enough message via local elections Starmer will realise that he has lost a substantial number of Labour voters in order appease some fanatics. I had hopes of him making Labour electable but he hasnt yet shown he has got the guts to do so.

It’s OK being called a racist that’s fine but calling someone Daily Mail reader to the worst insult of all.

Seriously, that candidate is not for real because you don’t disagree with a potential voter in that way, everyone is entitled to an opinion and it does not have to agree with anyone. For instance you can be called racist for wanting controls on immigration, whereas others want to allow in any migrants.

I’d like boris out and moral leadership but can’t vote Labour due to them asking women to move over ..

what you’re doing is stereotyping and advocating using very flimsy examples to bolster what you already believe.

Am I really. How is that then? I don't agree with Labour on this issue, I have laid out my reasoning very clearly why I won't be voting for them on other threads, and I have experienced the poor behaviour of many of their supporters and members on social media.

The canvasser who knocked on my door did the quietly agreeing thing. And told me that the candidate was also GC but didn’t feel able to speak out about this issue. 😞

OP can share it where she likes. People can also point out why it’s lacking in reasons to trust and they think it’s BS.

Troll hunting is generally considered against talk guidelines. Report to MN if you have concerns rather than call people liars with no real basis.

OP can share it where she likes. People can also point out why it’s lacking in reasons to trust and they think it’s BS.

what you’re doing is stereotyping and advocating using very flimsy examples to bolster what you already believe. Knock yourself out, but at least be aware of what you’re doing.

Labour party doorknocker here.

I can totally believe that happened. 😕

The party is still in denial and have issued no guidence as to how the answer the question 'what is a woman' though it is coming up ALL THE TIME.
They are still pretending its not happening, so individuals are left to their own devices. GC members are quietly saying they agree and gender true believers are calling people transphobes.
Its nuts.

None, but for damn sure it'll happen via labour

I disagree, this debate is far from over and there is a growing awareness and opposition. I also believe, for an awful lot of people this just isn’t on their radar yet.

Besides which, if Labour took over tomorrow the tories would still be the main opposition party and still have the same stance you believe they do now with a strong platform in parliament alongside a strong presence in the House of Lords.

If OP was called names on the doorstep by some Labour canvassing fool, why wouldn't she share it on MN? There are lots of stories on MN that can be questioned. Some of them are true, some of them aren't. I don't see anything especially implausible here, knowing how many of these people feel emboldened to behave on social media.

Life long Labour voter, not thrilled by where they stand on trans debate. But it is one issue of so many and to be honest, and with no offence meant, it's hardly top of the most important issues at the moment. I see it as a debate to be had if in power.

As for being called a racist daily fail reader..if true ..it was wrong..but I'm more concerned with your motive to come and share..or are you a Jurno throwing red meat?

I don't just think Labour are no more moral than the Tories, I question many of their MPs' intelligence for having been taken in so much by this absurd dogma.

My local Labour candidate is what you would describe as gender critical so I am very lucky. They appreciated my letter asking the questions (from Respect My Sex campaign) and my feeling is this is all good stuff for them to send to the Labour leadership. I doubt they will win locally as we tend to swap between Independent and Conservative, but it has given me hope.

None, but for damn sure it'll happen via labour.

Absolutely, in my email to ally candidates I was able to quote local issues. Our new swimming pool only had what they call family changing or a changing village. That is really important at a local level. I need my local councillor whoever they are to help me ensure they have good policies and procedures for filming, exhibitionism and voyeurism.
Schools are also a local issue and if you have kids at schools you need to check the policies and might want to involve local councillors.

user1471504747 - I agree with you about mental health services. In fact, I could have written your post.

Austerity benefits very few people but disadvantages the masses. It’s disproportionate affect on women, children, and disabled people is not something I can bring myself to vote for no matter what soundbite Boris comes up with about women.

It’s incredibly rare for someone to agree with 100% of one party’s politics, there’s always going to be areas that don’t quite hit the spot. But it’s about balancing what party you agree with the most, with what issues you give the most weight to, and also how good your local candidate actually is. Personally I can’t ever see myself being a single issue voter - women’s rights, the economy, NHS, housing, and education are all my top priorities that I give the most weight to and for me that’s not a vote for the conservatives.

Well I’d say it’s a good thing people did question the OP @Grannyd47 since the OP herself has since clarified some points she herself mistakenly made regarding what happened.

bots/agitators/campaigners are prevalent across the internet. Not trusting an unverifiable statement on an anonymous forum should be everyone’s starting point. People lie and have ulterior motives, propaganda has evolved hugely over the last ten (and earlier) years. It would depend on your stance but QAnon is an example of what can be achieved.

Note I am not accusing @porridgecake of being any of those things, but that doesn’t detract from the point that her post is no better than overhearing one side of a conversation on the bus and probably shouldn’t be given too much weight.

Sorry feel like I’m derailing the thread!

In terms of my own views - I think women’s sex based rights should return, and single sex (not “gender”) provisions remain as exactly that.

I also think the sudden and drastic increase in gender issues experienced amongst children and young people needs a serious review. Which actually links into another issue I feel incredibly strongly about - CAMHS and the absolute state of them. They are quite literally not fit for purpose and it’s no wonder children and teens are channeling their feelings of depression, anxiety, trauma, into this new “change your gender and it will fix all your problems” rhetoric being spouted.

I was going to say I haven’t seen a viable plan from the government on how any of this is going to be addressed or the changes made under them revered. But never mind viable I’ve not seen much of a plan at all. Javids review is a good start, but I don’t think it’s going to be extensive enough to capture all issues with children and young people and I don’t think it’s going to lead to adequately funded mental health support. And even though Boris has correctly acknowledged what a woman is he doesn’t seem to have linked it with any action for reversing the loss of women’s spaces.

Why dont people believe OP? Labour Party has been particularly stupid about sex and gender, declining to know what a woman is (until lately). Then not understanding importance of women only spaces, so women dont get raped. (Only people with a penis can rape) or women only sports (do people with greater muscles mass dont always win). If I was in the UK I doubt I could any longer vote labour

'So bearing in mind that a politician of Gordon Brown's stature once got caught on a hot mic calling a member of the public a "bigoted woman", is it really so hard to believe that some hot-headed young activist would call the OP a "racist Daily Mail reader"?'

No. We see councillors on Twitter talking to women like this all the time, using language like 'terfs'. Gregor Murray abused women online. I don't know why people suddenly think these individuals are all above this sort of thing. Half of them seem like idiots to me.

@Terfydactyl but where’s your reassurance that this wouldn’t happen under the tories?

from where I’m sitting it’s quite simply a bet with almost every other area of society as the stake. I don’t believe the tories are doing anything of substance and are just vote harvesting.

Good post @StillWeRise . I’m mystified how the tories have managed to brand themselves as champions of women. That’s not what I’ve witnessed.

I also distrust their stance because of the extensive history of populism and lying. I have a lot of trust to be earned before believing them, basically they need to put their money where their mouth is if I’m going to take them seriously.

I don’t agree with any other mainstream party on the extremes of the TR’s debate either so, personally, that rules out selecting any of them on that basis. I think it’s evolved into a debate that goes beyond party colours at this point. But I’m not comfortable with abstaining so I will use my vote for a party that can offer better than the tories and are likely to deliver. In my area that means Labour unless they form a coalition and encourage ‘borrowing’ of votes with the Lib Dems.

Which leaves me to consider other factors when it comes to me casting my vote and frankly the tories in their current form have no redeemable qualities. Certainly nothing that swings it in favour of taking a punt on them not lying (for once).

But I’d rather have a bit of a mess over trans issues and a functioning NHS, a fit for purpose welfare system

Well yes, I'd like all of this and more.
What we will get if labour get in power is all the stats skewed.
I feel a bit like I'm repeating myself because I am but

Take cervical cancer. It affects one woman in 10 (made up stats because of menopause i cant remember the actual stats)
Now labour get in power and cervical cancer affects one person in 20.
Halved the rates. Done nothing at all. Win win
We can do this with all sorts of things.
Vawg halved at the stroke of a pen. The murder rate of women (or men if needed) you can think of any issue you like. If it involves humans it will be effected by merging the sexes. No money spent, no changes required. Instead of stating the sex it affects, state people. Or gender.

And rolling this back after laws have been changed and officially no harm done and nothing to see here and it never happens?
Good luck with ever rolling it back.