Just had the labour candidate at my door

Well, when the Labour candidate I talked to said he’d take my questions back to the local party HQ he turned out to be as good as his word.

I bumped into him canvassing in a group with their other candidate & he introduced me to her as ‘the lady with the questions I was telling you about.’ She then proved that she got it entirely, so I felt very happy!

@montyspython You are rather missing the point. The Labour party wont talk about this, doesnt respond to women, the leadership doesnt support women MPs brave enough to speak out. Kier should show some leadership, say actually this has gone too far and women do need more consideration than they have had so far. He is afraid of the young deserting him, he wont do it. The only thing that might make him see the Labour party needs a change of direction is a resounding defeat at the polls.

I cant vote for the stories - if I was a single issue voter I'd do so to try and force Kier's hand. There is no-one to vote for. You say dont vote for people who are currently damaging women, vote for those who will do so in future. Not much of a choice there, I'll vote for none of them.

Why isnt kier saying this. It's the easiest win ever. He only has to say that women appear to be ignored right now forever and let's have a discussion, ooh surprise women pissed off at losing some small but very important places. Let's see if we can fix this?
Literally all kier has to say is women matter, or woman =ahf or yes there are some places that need to be single sex or something that acknowledges women are thought about at all never

He cant cos he either doesn't see the issues, then I dont need a thick as mince man In charge.
Hes too scared, well that's not going to help running the country, which i imagine is quite scary.
Hes being blackmailed, again not someone we want running the country. Need a backbone for that.
Thinks hes being kind, but hes not kind to us.

I’m really stuck on who to vote for next week at our local elections. I want the Tory candidate out (which shouldn’t be a problem given recent allegations made against him) but I struggle with the other party’s stance on gender politics. I have a young daughter to think about. At the same time if people start withholding votes and spoiling ballot cards in protest then that is surely going to help the more extreme parties. I’m feeling pretty deflated by the whole thing. Women don’t have a voice anymore it seems.

@Aishah231 You are very, very, very naive. Welcome to the real world. Labour canvassers are well-known to say these things. Wake up.

Proving something really depends on what people are measuring. Some years after that incident the World Bank, among other organizations, finally admitted that actually, although globalization had generally been good for wealthy and middle class people, it's benefits had not really extended to the working classes in the same way and in fact had been somewhat detrimental to them. GB dismissed what he said because from his POV as a wealthy person with political clout, globalization could only be good and could not affect communities in any relevant way. Not a great look for a LP leader.

So bearing in mind that a politician of Gordon Brown's stature once got caught on a hot mic calling a member of the public a "bigoted woman", is it really so hard to believe that some hot-headed young activist would call the OP a "racist Daily Mail reader"?

Well.... the woman speaking to Gordon Brown was actually making totally irrational and unfounded comments about immigrants which have been proved over and over to be wrong. Whereas the whole "you're a hateful daily mail reader because you don't think men are women" is also factually wrong. So a flase equivalence there (disclaimer: not a fan of Gordon Brown either, just of facts and logic!)

I had a very TWAW-y young Labour candidate at the door today. He was really smart & pleasant, wanted to battle the patriarchy together & said he thought the problem was that aggressive, misogynistic men had hijacked the trans cause (hmmm). I told him I can't vote for the Labour Party currently and he agreed that they needed to be open, discursive and listen to women, & everyone needs to feel safe and respected. And yet TWAW. Feeling pretty low about it all.

I was one of the women who was tipped the wink by a Labour insider that Mark Drakeford (Labour First Minister here in Wales and totally in thrall to the gender cult) would be stopping off for a photo opportunity at Swansea Guildhall on Friday.

Drakeford was warned that we were at the Guildhall and rescheduled a secret photo shoot elsewhere — the coward. He was happy to go to Swansea mosque and speak to the men there but not to face a group of 15-20 women with awkward questions to ask. So we asked them of the Labour candidate and their canvassers who were hanging out by the Guildhall. They were defensive and accused us of being provocative and aggressive. One particularly persistent woman approached them on her own and managed to have a brief conversation, but even so the Labour people found it difficult make eye contact and stood there defiantly with their arms crossed, clearly furious with us.

This used to be my party. I've canvassed for various Labour politicians over the years and although I've not agreed with all of them I've never felt as alienated and horrified as I do now. This is the first time I've encountered a group of Labour canvassers with whom I've felt I had nothing in common. I will be be spoiling my vote next week.

I don’t vote Tory, this thread isn’t even about the Tory party, it’s supposed to be about the behaviour of a Labour Party canvasser. But it’s turned into a neat demonstration of how all Labour have to offer at the moment is deflection, emotional blackmail and abuse.

The treatment of children at GIDs is going to be investigated. More and more government bodies are withdrawing from SW schemes, and the PM has said openly that women's sports and spaces need to be protected, which it's reasonable to hope in the next months will begin to see policy movement where that's appropriate. It's also clear they are NOT moving ahead on legal changes like self-id.

I don't know what makes you think there has not been discussion of the now, it's going on every day here, in the media, and now in the HoC. People have been working hard to get these things moving, and there is now movement. There is reason to hope that if the pressure is kept on there will continue to be a response.

Labour isn't on the same page - they aren't even reading from the same book. At this moment in time, if they were to be elected, there is every reason to think they would stop all of that and bring in things like self-id. They have given zero indication that as a party they would not carry on with that policy direction. The best that can be said is that there are now a very few Labour MPs who seem to be a little more open about doubting this approach.

There won't likely be an election soon, so of course they could change direction. SO of course people will pressure them and try and tell them that this is a vote deciding issue for them. The Conservatives have been in power for 12 years, many many people would like a viable alternative, which Labour isn't now.

What do you think people should do, no one owes a political party their vote.

So Lib Dem update for my area. Had the local councillor candidate at my door today posting letters door to door.

It came up quite naturally in conversation, the conservatives are planning on completely cutting the council funding to a local charity centre that amongst other things, support abused women. I asked him if Lib Dem’s pledge to keep this safe space extended to keeping it as a safe single sex space and he agreed he understood the importance, and agreed things would remain as they are.

One of the most baffling things about this issue, and part of the reason why I’ll be interested in seeing if it’s included in election manifestos, is that it seems to be one of the most divisive issues within parties. Lib Dem’s overall seem to be one of the strongest TWAW type supporters so I was surprised to hear his response. I believe I even said in a previous post I thought I would disagree with him on the issue (although I would still vote for him).

Will be very interesting to see how political strategy develops in the next 2 years before the GE

Is it really so outrageous to expect a left of centre party that prides itself on enlightened policies to commit to upholding our existing rights?

Whilst making it acceptable to vote for a party that is already and has already shown women masses of contempt and let down?

As the public has become aware of this, the Tories allowed that discussion to play out among their members and mps, and began to back away from some of these problematic issues, and now look poised to make some significant investigations into what happened

Which issues are the poised on investigating ?

Labour on the other hand has tried to shut down any discussion, and is doubling down on their position, and still seem to plan to move ahead with significant legal changes should they come into power.

But if the issues are currently being allowed to continue, why is the discussion aimed at the future and not at how women are being let down massively now by this government, how it is unacceptable for women to be treated with contempt now, but it's ok to vote for that and say you are accepting that treatment ?

I had a prospective Lib Dem councillor on my doorstep on Friday, he was very young and I said I couldn't vote for him because women's rights. He said straight out that he believes TWAW because he has a friend. he was trotting out the most marginalised, suicide rates etc. I advised him to check his information and where he was getting it.
nice pleasant young man, perfectly civil conversation. I said he hadn't changed my mind it was left wishing each other well. Refreshing

Why would you not engage exactly the same with a canvasser as the candidate. The canvasser represents the candidate and her opinions. So getting answers from her is exactly the same as getting answers from the candidate. Otherwise what's the point of a canvasser? 🤷

I told a Lib Dem canvasser that I used to canvas for Lib Dems too (true) but that I doubted I would ever vote for them again. She said "I think I know why". They can't ignore us forever. The message is getting through.

Because we can all see that the political class had been bamboozled, like many of us, in a systematic and devious way.

And many of the problems and impositions were secretly and deviously pushed by groups like SW giving completely false information to all kinds of institutions, including public ones. Lots of regular posters here initially were sympathetic, so of course they understand how political leaders were too.

As the public has become aware of this, the Tories allowed that discussion to play out among their members and mps, and began to back away from some of these problematic issues, and now look poised to make some significant investigations into what happened.

Labour on the other hand has tried to shut down any discussion, and is doubling down on their position, and still seem to plan to move ahead with significant legal changes should they come into power.

I didn't post that statement but it seems perfectly straightforward to me and I'm not sure what's angry about it? Is it really so outrageous to expect a left of centre party that prides itself on enlightened policies to commit to upholding our existing rights?

All labour has to do and very soon or it'll be far too late, is state woman=ahf and promise to keep single sex spaces.

But from the stories being told, our spaces are already being imposed on and our services are already being underfunded, I'm not sure why the anger is aimed at the "proposed" rather than the actual.

Hows that working?
Pretty much all of us cannot stand boris and lots wont vote for him, but they also wont vote labour. This wont change minds. All labour has to do and very soon or it'll be far too late, is state woman=ahf and promise to keep single sex spaces.*

But if they change their minds months before the general election then no one will believe it.

*For me personally I want more than this, I'm sick of being last, waiting forever for our issues to even be spoken about, let alone fixed. But for right now I'll go with those who know a woman is ahf.

If I were a Conservative campaigner, I wouldn't say a word. There would be no need as Labour are fucking this up all by themselves. They could also put things right all by themselves, any time they wanted.

When Labour canvassers on this thread have said that they do find it plausible and in some cases they've had to step in to prevent young hotheads from starting doorstep arguments, why do you think that it's unlikely?

Doesn't sound real to me OP. Even if she thought it she's unlikely to say it. Campaigning for the conservatives are we?

Your question about it happening under the Tories has been answered in detail on several threads, so I am a little surprised that you claim it is ignored.