Steve Reed (Shadow Justice Secretary) knows what we are

It's good to see but if he nevertheless includes people who self-identify as women in that definition, single sex spaces and facilities can not be respected.
At least most senior Tories are now clearly stating that TW should not be in Women's sport...that is what I now want to hear from Labour/LibDem etc. The Tories also need to do some 'rolling back' of the Stonewall overreach since they are actually in power.

If that's not clear enough for you then I'm afraid it's your issue and not my issue.

I rather like this. It is true. Unfortunately BeeeeKiiiiiind has made the consequences of their issue our issue.

yep. If they think women are going to fall for that gaslighty bullshit they are even stupider than I thought they were.

'oh! This has never even been an issue! '

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.".

Fuck that noise.

What @Noisyprat said.

Someone should do a montage of all the "OMG of course not!!" responses. Perhaps ending with a Butterworth gasp

I’d also like to see David Lammy put on a dinosaur suit and state that he will protect women’s rights. OK that was the dream I had last night.

Often with politicians is more about what isn't said. I don't doubt that everyone in the Labour Party knows a woman is an ahf however the e next question needs to be can a man become a woman by transitioning. Get them to confirm that under no circumstances can someone change sex. Get them to confirm that biological males should not be in woman's spirt, prisons etc.

Honestly this slight change of tack is to get us all to think they're 'getting it'. I don't believe it. Btw I'm not 100% convinced on the tories with this either because we're not seeing enough positive action.

It was a bit aggressive and gaslighty. Perhaps aimed more at his Party HQ than the general public?

Agree with scorchedterf's post.

I’d like to see a few more of them say that, then I’d like them to sever ties with Stonewall and also start having policies which centre women, and then have the courage to kick all the science denying TWAWs out. The same they tried to do to Rosie Duffield.
in fact I’d like a public apology to Rosie and all the other women they’ve alienated, and after that once they’ve got some written down sex based policies I might possibly vote for them again

MrsOvertonsWindow: "So - if asked you can agree that yes a woman has a vagina and a man has a penis. Now, where that man is allowed to wave that penis around is slightly more complicated...... "

Yes, baby steps... They're definitely not there yet.

Just imagining the memo from labour HQ.
Now we know Keir said nobody should say only women have a cervix & we know that Lammy called women refusing to strip in front of random men "dinosaurs hoarding rights" but it would be ever so helpful if you could roll back a little from this position (as we've discovered half the electorate are pretty pissed off with us).
So - if asked you can agree that yes a woman has a vagina and a man has a penis. Now, where that man is allowed to wave that penis around is slightly more complicated......

mean not men.

*It was a bit aggressive and gaslighty. Pretending he didn't know why he was even being asked the question

Can't they just admit they judged it wrong, they've had a little think, and here's what they're proposing?*

Seems to me the RespectMySex if you want my X campaign has made them have a rethink. I remain suspicious. Just because they now admit they know what a woman is doesn't necessarily men they will RESPECT our sex.

This is interesting (Reed at no 23 in the 2011 list of most influential lesbian and gay people - ahead of Tatchell. I think things might have changed a bit since then! https://lgbthistoryuk.org/wiki/PridePowerrList2011

@derob thank you for that.

Having watched it, whilst I get the concerns on tone, I’m happy with the words. No prevarication there.

Given his role, I really hope someone asks him about prisons and crime stats in light of that…

www.gbnews.uk/news/exclusive-labour-mp-breaks-rank-and-declares-a-man-has-a-penis-and-a-woman-has-vagina/281850

It was a bit aggressive and gaslighty. Pretending he didn't know why he was even being asked the question

Can't they just admit they judged it wrong, they've had a little think, and here's what they're proposing?

Have I got this right?

The bloke gave the right answer to the question but he did it on the wrong way.

I should add I spoilt my ballot in the last election and wrote 'Adult Human Female' on it.

He's my MP and I'd been unable to find anything he'd said either way in the gender debate. I'd assumed he was keeping a low profile until it was safe to come out as it was easy enough to parrot TWAW.

Doubt it. He’s a penis person.

I’d like to see the follow up: “are there any circumstances in which people with one genital type should be allowed in the space reserved for the other?”

Most men are not directly inconvenienced by the erasure of our sex. Maybe he didn't pay any attention as is often the case when it comes to female matters in politics?