Snooker

being exceptionally generous to the trans lobby it would probably be theoretically possible to have a distance/maximum bow poundage at which competition could be halfway equal, hence my question mark above.

Yep. Almost as if nature gave female arms an additional bend to negotiate tits!!

Archery?
Mixed sex archery?
I tried it once and couldn't even draw the string back.

I'm wondering about hip rotation/pelvis swivel.

Yes @DomesticatedZombie The Shakira Effect will have a negative impact on the angle of lean and stability. When standing on two legs women have a more stable base because of the wider WQ angle at the hip. On one leg though that wider angle become less stable, you want you leg directly under your body weight and men, with their narrower Q angle, have the advantage.

"events" isn't quite the right word, it's more like sports or disciplines, when you think of the huge number of different medals available for different swimming and running distances etc, the true picture is much bleaker than this.

based on the list of events in the Tokyo Olympics, here's my generous (to the trans lobby) take on the sports in which women & men could possibly compete equally, ie where strength isn't crucially important. emphasis on 'could', ignoring current differences in participation levels etc.

bowls, archery, shooting, curling etc, I'd even go as far as golf.

then you misunderstand those sports.

Some types of shooting may allow females to compete fairly, but not all shooting.

The others all will mean males will have the advantage over females.

I think a lot of the non athletic type sports go in here, you know the sort

bowls, archery, shooting, curling etc, I'd even go as far as golf.

But women can enter the ‘men’s’ championship?

Ah I see the “but Michael phelps” argument has arisen again

differentiation within sexes is completely different to differentiation between sexes e.g Ryan lochte & missy franklin are both Olympic gold medalists in swimming. They are the same height 6ft 2 & have the same “wingspan”. They both won golds at 200m backstroke. Lochtes fastest time at that distance is 1.46.68, franklins 2.04.06. That’s about half the length of a pool

but as I said earlier, I couldn’t give a fuck if Jamie was the worst snooker player ever, they still don’t belong on the womens tour because they’re not a woman. Let the mens tour demonstrate how wonderful & inclusive they are by having Jamie play there but I expect that wouldn’t be validating enough for Jamie. It is not womens job to validate Jamie’s identity

Hmm, so far my list is equestrian, and darts.

It used to be that competing was about having fun enjoying sport

yeah. Right. It was never about winning at all. We get it.

I think there are a lot of sports where males and females can compete

What are sporting competitions about?

why do sports at all?

Which sports apart from darts which you mentioned, do you think female can compete fairly against males and have a chance at winning? Let’s start a list.

‘Perhaps we need racial splits as well as white athletes don't do as well as coloured athletes’

You again don’t seem to understand what sports competitions are measuring. I am sure you think this is the ultimate ‘gotcha’ but it really just shows your own lack of understanding about the topic.

Really fish

So the way to deal with negative sex discrimination is just to give in to it?

OK you women who are amazing at sports, give up. No one is interested. Yous are not trying hard enough to beat the men. Or in the case of international football… the under 15 boys!!!

That is the way I read your posts.

Unless the female can make it against males, then get rid of female sport because it means those females are inferior. In fact, get rid of children’s categories and the master’s categories and any other categories. Only the open category is worth keeping, Fuck off everyone else.

is this really what you mean?

This is a version of the Phelps advantage.

yes. Many sports have elite athletes that tend to favour a set of attributes - eg. Basketball and height.

The issue is that within a sex category there is more chance that an athlete will have the opportunity to win without those characteristics. For instance Phelp’s records either have or will be soon broken because someone with a different combination of attributes will beat them.

But females that have similar attributes to Phelps are still being beaten by many males.

That is the whole point of sex categories.

You may be tall for a female, and you may have longer arms than some males, but those males will have other advantages. That means you may less chance at winning against that shorter male than another male competitor the same size as those shorter males has of winning against them.

That is the point. A shorter male has a greater chance to win against you than a shorter female has to win against you.

However, you may in fact be the more skilled / better athlete than either of those small males. They just will win based on their biological advantages.

But it's not just me. Wimbledon don't charge the same for women's finals day as men's. The women's football game can't demand the same ticket prices or attendances as men. By removing the best acheivers from the sport that competition will not be seen as the pinnacle and get the biggest viewing figures and attendances. And this is what happens and it becomes like the under 18's world cup, para sport (although I do watch wheelchair tennis which I believe able bodied can play in a wheelchair) or indeed any other sport where people are excluded for any reason other than not being the best applicant for that position. That is the reality viewing figures don't lie the public watch elite human sport and they don't care about the sex. This is despite much political correctness and enforcement of equal prize money.

Nope because the population isn't interested.

Sure.

But if there is biological constraints, what are the chances that female sport will ever be given any consideration if people took the attitude that females are obviously ‘inferior’ if they cannot make it to the open category.

And how many women have been world champions at snooker? If it was purely social elements and not physical advantages at play, there would be at least one one the last decade? No?

The only person on this thread positing that women are lesser in sport because they are not winning against the males is you.

I would love to watch women's snooker (the best biological females). Is it televised?

I don't really get the height/arm length complaints to be honest. Pro sports always attracts extremes of body type so they're not really representative of typical people.
Should I not be allowed to play against women because I'm larger than the average male (taller, bigger span, bigger hands, average male sized feet)

Strength possibly a consideration but easily overcome I'd have thought. I do agree on the need for separate women's provision to encourage women into sports.

This argument will increasingly see women's sport marginalized and less well funded. The best women need to be competing against the best men in the open category where they can. Otherwise it can be seen as a lesser competition.

here are the top grossing (ie garnering most public interest) boxing matches of all time. four of the five involved Floyd Mayweather, a chap who fought between super featherweight and light middleweight, ie between 9st and 11st.

www.google.com/amp/s/talksport.com/sport/boxing/929210/top-boxing-ppvs-of-all-time-manny-pacquiao-floyd-mayweather-jr-conor-mcgregor-holyfield-tyson-de-la-hoya/amp/

he's arguably the most skillful boxer of all time and as such arguably the most interesting to watch. but his professional career only existed at all as a result of the protection of weight categories. even a journeyman club level heavyweight would have flattened him. even one of his own (mimum wage, against FM easily the biggest earning boxer of all time) bodyguards would have had a better then even chance.

www.bosshunting.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2686300.main_image.webp

I was thinking that too nellodee.

And also what ligament changes during the menstrual cycle could mean for both the ‘power’ aspect and the mechanical aspect.

Isn’t there also something about the elbow joint? Women’s arms angle out from the elbow and men’s are straight? Wouldn’t this make a difference too?