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"It's an actual fact that not just women experience periods"

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PaddleBoardingMomma · 27/04/2022 07:54

So this is the latest campaign from cosmetics company Benefit...

I have a lot of questions. Firstly, why on earth a cosmetics company are not only jumping on the current trend of "let's somehow get menstruation into our ethos even though it's not related to our company, just so the women think we totally get them" but why they are jumping on it and taking such a stupid, exclusionary and ridiculous view point. Baffled doesn't begin to cover it.

Secondly, how can anyone other than a woman have a period? Answers on a postcard...

www.instagram.com/p/Cc0EGUWIYzr/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 27/04/2022 13:06

It's not only women that will experience periods, however, we're led to believe that it is just cis women who menstruate.

who’s leading people to believe that only cis women have periods?

I've actually never heard of that …til now obvs

Melroses · 27/04/2022 13:05

It is the emptiest of virtue signalling.

Is Kenny the person who didn't like venus symbols on packaging is spite of the fact that their mother did all the buying and their periods stopped on testosterone?
www.self.com/story/male-period-trans-model-kenny-jones

Whatwouldscullydo · 27/04/2022 13:03

One day they will look back and cringe at this nonsense. As if teens will be able to afford their make up anyway.

Girl just means juvenile human female.
Woman- adult human female.

It covers all and no gender identities.

You cant be non binary as that's a third category so doesn't even make sense. Everyone has a sex. You don't menstruate with your identity.

Identity is irrelevant to any biological function.

This just makes them.look like idiots. Identity matters only to the person involved . No one is obligated to play along. Stick to selling make up.

DomesticatedZombie · 27/04/2022 13:01

'a face goop company' - perfect.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/04/2022 13:01

Eh? how on earth does that work. Never heard of Laurie Penney, buy JJ is a (biological) woman, married to a (biological)man but identifies as 'queer'.

You've also exactly described LP.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/04/2022 12:59

we're led to believe that it is just cis women who menstruate.

I don't even know what that means. I'm not "cis" and I am currently menstruating. No one ever led me to believe that I couldn't.

LeftFootForward · 27/04/2022 12:58

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g
"It would also cover Jameela Jamil and Laurie Penney, who are both 'queer', present as female and are married to males."

Eh? how on earth does that work. Never heard of Laurie Penney, buy JJ is a (biological) woman, married to a (biological)man but identifies as 'queer'.

That must be a new definition of queer that just means 'please look at me, I'm special'.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/04/2022 12:57

I’m a woman and I no longer experience periods?

Well yes, not all women experience them at all times in their lives. But only women and girls do.

otherbookmarks · 27/04/2022 12:56

Bolognia · 27/04/2022 12:27

I have an acquaintance who’s biologically female, uses a female name, dresses in a feminine way and wears makeup, is not attracted to women and is married to a man. But they are gender neutral and queer. I’m immensely puzzled by this and it’s one of the reasons why I think we need to stick to talking about biological sex.

AKA spicy straights

LeftFootForward · 27/04/2022 12:51

Clymene · 27/04/2022 08:08

I've just looked at Kenny's Instagram. Doing a public service announcement telling trans men that they need to have cervical smears because Kenny didn't know they were necessary until they had a conversation with their sister.

The fact that the NHS record people by gender rather than sex is one of the most wrong-headed idiotic things that trans activists demanded and actively damages trans people's health.

And no, I don't think Kenny uses benefit cosmetics and benefit don't make period products so k really don't see the point of this tie in other than virtue signalling and brainwashing.

If Kenny didn't realise they had a cervix (even though they have the full compliment of menstruating female anatomy) and therefore should have regular smears then Kenny must be a bit simple really. How was this not bloomin' obvious to Kenny? 😂

hihellohihello · 27/04/2022 12:50

Or,

'Make up for anyone,'

FemaleAndLearning · 27/04/2022 12:50

They include non binary people so that can be male or female!
That twitter thread is funny 'if you are a trans girl you might not get your period'. Though I was reading a twitter thread the other day where a transwoman claimed having a period and lots of people in comments going wow I didn't know that could happen! Doh!

"It's an actual fact that not just women experience periods"
hihellohihello · 27/04/2022 12:49

An actual fact.

hihellohihello · 27/04/2022 12:49

Since they are a cosmetics company, a better and far more fitting slogan would be,

'It's and actual fact that it's not just women that wear mascara!'

Eeksteek · 27/04/2022 12:49

I really don’t care about how people identify. But there’s a lot of ‘sex is biologically make or female’ and that’s not strictly true.

Sex is defined by your chromosomes, genitalia, visible physical characteristics and hormone profile. There is a LOT of scope for those not to all be typically male or female. Hermaphroditism, to varying degrees, is a biological reality and not a freak rarity.

fatfrenchprick · 27/04/2022 12:45

I won't be buying benefit makeup again

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 27/04/2022 12:45

I read the other day that it is possible - sorry, VALID is probably the preferred term - for a trans-identifying person to have the following characteristics:

Sex: M (or F)
Gender identity: F (or M)
Gender expression: M (or F)

No, me neither.

That would seem to cover the cases mentioned here, and the Tory MP who has declared a trans identity but is retaining birth name and not changing clothing/hairstyle etc for the time being. It would also cover Jameela Jamil and Laurie Penney, who are both 'queer', present as female and are married to males.

It reinforces what I've always thought. This is a clique and to get into the clique your face has to fit and you have to parrot the right jargon. Older women are mostly written off as too dull, closed minded and thick to gain admittance.

Cornettoninja · 27/04/2022 12:40

How about

“People with uteruses can menstruate. In all cases these people are females who have reached puberty. This group of people are biologically known as ‘women’”

ScreamingMeMe · 27/04/2022 12:38

Is this the company that gives its products weird, sexualised names or is that some other 'quirky' 'down with the kids" brand?

NoHayDosSinTres · 27/04/2022 12:35

Note to self, don't buy Benefit anymore.

WeeBisom · 27/04/2022 12:35

They are absolutely correct … female apes and monkeys menstruate , I believe, and they’re not women. Not sure why a face goop company is giving us a zoological lesson though.

Seriously, enough with this coy pretence that the word woman means anything other than human female. Trans men and female non binaries are women.

mrshoho · 27/04/2022 12:32

Yes quite! A bold statement that then goes on to say non binary and transmen also have periods. no shit sherlock! Why are they so concerned about two minority groups that are least likely to use their products??

Bolognia · 27/04/2022 12:27

Waitwhat23 · 27/04/2022 11:42

*However, I also know a socially transitioned teenage female, a transboy, who wears more make up, and dresses much more femininely that I ever did or do. (Ie. Dresses pretty much like their friends do)

Because, they are expanding the bandwidth of how males dress, or so I gather…*

I've had to read this a few times and I'm still a bit baffled. Am I right in thinking that -

  • The person is female
  • Who identifies as a boy
  • Who dresses in stereotypical female clothing
  • So it's a female, 'presenting' as a girl.
  • But this is apparently expanding the bandwidth of how males dress. Despite the person being female?

I have an acquaintance who’s biologically female, uses a female name, dresses in a feminine way and wears makeup, is not attracted to women and is married to a man. But they are gender neutral and queer. I’m immensely puzzled by this and it’s one of the reasons why I think we need to stick to talking about biological sex.

DomesticatedZombie · 27/04/2022 12:24

Look, transmen are women; non-binary people are either male or female. It's really not all that complicated, despite a few people trying very hard to make it look that way.

Bolognia · 27/04/2022 12:12

The words Man and Woman have become totally meaningless. They basically refer to gender now, which is merely a social construct and has no basis in biology. I think we need to focus on male and female sexes. You can identify as man, woman, gender free, non binary, or even as a broccoli if you like. What matters is that only the female sex has periods.

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