"It's an actual fact that not just women experience periods"

So for those of you that will be looking for new products to replace Benefit, I've come across Urban Decay's Damn Girl which claims to do the same as Benefit Roller Girl cult favourite. They also have a two mascara, Better than Sex and Damn Girl, pack for the price of one ATM.

I've scoured the net and can't find any slavishness to gender ideology. They have a 'pretty different' range, which seems to focus more on being different and making make up statements than forcing gender ideology.
I'm hoping so as urban decay have a better animal testing record than benefit so hoping I can ethically support them over benefit.

Quoting again because it deserves to be re[peated.

Intersex and hermaphroditism are examples of Disorders of Sexual Development (DSD). That's what the medical term is. Something has gone wrong (is disordered) in the normal development of sex in the very small percentage of people that they affect.

Sex IS binary. People and animals are either male, or female sexed. The tiny percentage of the population for whom this is made more complicated to work out do not provide evidence of a spectrum. Whatever you believe about gender identity, Sex. Is. Binary.

So Kenny was surprised to get a period but presumably knew he was born with a womb/genitals/ etc?

Did he think he could think himself male? I f only i could banish the monthly with power of the mind

Parents have totally fucked ip there

I cant believe how many trans people there are.

Hopefully a trend that will pass

However, visiting a maternity ward would guarantee that every single patient in there had something in common.
A prostate cancer ward would show that 100% of the patients in there had something in common.

So in the real world, things carry on as they always have.
Facts remain facts whether you admit to them or not.

Just realised that 'actual facts' have been reinterpreted more widely. Pregnancy can happen to individuals with penises, menstruation is a random occurrence happening to people in general and so on.

It's curiously Victorian, because we are not allowed to know what a female person is.

This is what I thought. A long time ago I read that most stop having them after going on testosterone, but not all. I also read that hysterectomy is recommended for all trans men on testosterone within six years from starting it for health reasons.

More recent information may tell us otherwise, but on the whole this suggest that the number of menstruating trans men is quite small and perhaps should not be such a strong focus of period supply companies? Unless they also wish to erase the female sex?

There are, of course, non-binary menstruators who have excluded themselves from the class of women but who also demand the class of women to be re-named when it is used in the biological sense so that they can, once again, be included when it benefits them, but not when it does not benefit them.

Trans men shouldn't be having periods because the testosterone injections should prevent them from happening.

Very nicely put @BackAgain777

Someone who is XXY (to answer a previous poster) is NOT "both male and female". They have Klinefelter Syndrome which is a disorder of the male sexual pathway.

Thanks for answering. It was a genuine question because years ago I had seen a television programme which featured someone like this, who had some female attributes like small breasts - but he was regarded as male. So now I know that he was regarded as male, because he was male.

"I really don’t care about how people identify. But there’s a lot of ‘sex is biologically make or female’ and that’s not strictly true.

Sex is defined by your chromosomes, genitalia, visible physical characteristics and hormone profile. There is a LOT of scope for those not to all be typically male or female. Hermaphroditism, to varying degrees, is a biological reality and not a freak rarity."

No, sorry.
Sex is determined by what gamete you can produce, or what your meant to produce even if the system is malfunctioning for whatever reason.
There are no people on earth somehow "hovering" between male and female. There is NO third sex, never has been, There is no third gamete. It's sperm (small motile gametes) or egg (large immotile gametes). That's it. That's all there has EVER been, and that is why sex is absolutely binary.
NOBODY on earth has EVER had two sets of fully functioning sexual organs. There is no DSD ever recorded where someone has been able to produce both sets of gametes. They produce either one or the other.
In some DSDs genitalia is ambiguous and karyotyping can determine whether the person is male or female.
There are sexual disorders of the make pathway, and sexual disorders of the female pathway.
Someone who is XXY (to answer a previous poster) is NOT "both male and female". They have Klinefelter Syndrome which is a disorder of the male sexual pathway. They are MALE, there are no women with Klinefelter Syndrome because there is a Y chromosome, it is a male disorder. They may have some more feminine characteristics like breast development, underdeveloped male genitalia, lack of body hair etc, but they are MALE.
Also, DSDs represent 0.018% of the population, and are so rare as to be virtually unseen by a doctor in their professional career. This would counter the argument that it is not a "rarity". It absolutely IS A RARITY.
Also, people with DSDs have REPEATEDLY asked not to drawn into this discussion. They do not "validate" that some people are "trans". It is a completely different topic.
Sex is BINARY.
NO third sex.
No third gamete.

No spectrum.

Yes it makes one really question just what the hell children have been taught in schools and at home over the last decade. In an age where sex education has never been so open how are people growing up and being so ignorant of human biology

Because women were kept under control by being kept ignorant about their bodies. The more women knew the more they were able to have control over theor bodies and in particular birth control.

Of course this didn't benefit men because now women have nore of a say over theor sexuality and having children. The traditional set up of man working and coming home to kids fed and in bed and and a meal on the table and being kept bare foot amd pregnant are less common. This is all just a new way to ensure the same thing. You cant control pregnancy when no one has any idea that 2 " lesbians " can get pregnant if one has a penis , or which sex has periods etc

Same shit different day

Yes it makes one really question just what the hell children have been taught in schools and at home over the last decade. In an age where sex education has never been so open how are people growing up and being so ignorant of human biology? This could well be the start of the trickle down effects but we haven't really even scratched the surface yet. From my experience the whole gender identity ideology in schools seemed to explode only in the last 2-3 years. There's going be a hell of a number of seriously confused kids out there.

What pisses me off about this is Kenny's assumption that the identity of girls is someone of a hive mind. The menstruation issue is very simply one of just biology. There is NOTHING that binds women together other than our biology and it's highly arrogant of him to assume that there is. Kenny wants to be an individual - sure. But this does not mark him out from other women. They GI people made the problem when turning 'woman' from biology to identity (or trying to). They did this for their own needs and now people like Kenny who are too daft? fucked up? to see through this are paying the price. The pain of menstruating it more than just physical for many girls too Kenny - this does not mean you're a man or special I'm afraid.

I wonder if we're now seeing some of the trickle-down effects of gender ideology being widely disseminated, taught in schools, treated as the only right thing to think (and anyone who disagrees it a bigot/dinosaur). Perhaps not everyone really does, deep down, get that sex doesn't really change. Maybe there are a lot of people now, especially kids, who really think that if you decide/say you are the opposite sex then you immediately, literally are, including in a physical sense - because they are being told that, and anyone who tries to point out the truth has been suppressed, cancelled, sacked etc.

Not everyone is going to see this in the context of history, feminism, an understanding of totalitarianism, the lessons of Orwell, etc. Some people, especially those lacking in intelligence and/or education, will just think it's reality. The fact that they unexpectedly menstruate, or can't get the right medical care, or can't (or alternatively can) get pregnant, etc. belies the nonsense of it all and shows that there is actually such a thing as reality and that gender ideology isn't it. But for people caught up in it and being taught it from a young age, of course some of them are going to be extremely confused.

But those who but they for show won’t like that one bit.

can’t we just have toy packs (like kids have in their play shoot) for people to call things whatever they like and carry them around, so that they rest of us can get on with life.

More from Kenny: www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-men-pain-menstruation-more-just-physical-n1113961

Kenny isn't very bright is he?

Kenny also has a monstrous ego.

And yes what kind of man is traumatised by some things being feminine-looking FFS. Straight, manly men all over the world sleep in floral bedsheets or use pretty pink teapots that are in their homes because their wife chose them, as well as the many men who like those things themselves. I wish they would just stop talking total shite!

The same Kenny who feels so masculine that he finds it traumatic to buy San Pro as it's in the women's section and is pink and frilly yet Benefit, a cosmetics brand feel it a good idea to link up with him?

You know what else gets right on my tits, it's this stupid, insulting pretence that everything that's for women is pink / frilly / feminine. It really isn't. Some stuff is, but period products are generally medical-looking, much like toothpaste or painkillers, and the packaging tends to be blue/green or white - this is done with health-related products to counteract any image of bodily excretions etc and make it all seem clean and sterile (hence the famous blue liquid used in pad ads).

It is just a barefaced, infuriating lie that everything for women is pink and girly. It's like that ridiculous non-binary poet a couple of years back who write about how they couldn't get a haircut as hairdressers for women are all "pink perfumed femininity" IIRC. But they are simply not. Most are unisex, most are white/silver/black/wood effect etc., very few are pink, even fewer are frilly.

I am so sick of having womanhood and women's stuff blatantly lied about to try to make trans people look different and special. Just bore off!

The same Kenny who feels so masculine that he finds it traumatic to buy San Pro as it's in the women's section and is pink and frilly yet Benefit, a cosmetics brand feel it a good idea to link up with him?

Because dad's husbands and boyfriends have never bought it for their daughters/wives etc

And why are we indulging the idea thay the cashiers give a shit what they buy. They sell lube, sanpro, condoms etc all the time.

So happy to hear that the comments mostly make sense. I do despair with all the little changes and adjustments and nudges, because their overall effect is to wipe out all our words and without words we must resort to incoherent raging when trying to do feminist work.

Besides, I don't identify as a woman, I am one, and the world has never allowed me to forget that when it so desires to do.

Time to sack the blue haired intern!

There are over 500 replies now, majority calling them out over their bullshit.