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A simple way to explain to DH why he shouldn't* include pronouns on his email signature at work

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WookeyHole · 19/04/2022 14:19

I really get so confused about the whole gender issue and each time I try and explain myself, I get tied up in knots. I've tried with good friends who've basically said I sound like a transphobe, which isn't my intention. I'm just not keen on women not having their own spaces.

Please can you give me a couple of sentences to explain to DH why I think it's a bad idea to include pronouns and the bigger picture it makes him a part of?

*obviously he's a grown man and can make his own mind up, but I'd like him to consider the other point of view to the Stonewall trans bandwagon he's been fed at work

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Roystonv · 19/04/2022 14:43

Irrelevant to the job that you do, none of their business, jumping on the bandwagon. Just not necessary.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/04/2022 14:41

[quote MrsDanversBroom]sex-matters.org/posts/updates/pronouns/[/quote]
I second this.

I will also add that I've never seen a workplace that asks people to express their support for their colleagues covered by other protected characteristics.

This is easy to workplaces to enforce and literally wins them points and prizes. Workplaces have little interest in tackling the hard issues like disability adjustments, appropriate parental leave, ageism etc.

Iknowitisheresomewhere · 19/04/2022 14:36

I have thought long and hard about what I am going to say if we are asked to include pronouns on email signatures at work.

It is roughly:

My name is x, I am female and I think this is obvious to everyone. I have no problem with anyone using sex based pronouns, which in English means referring to me in the third person as 'she'.
However, I strongly disagree with implying I have a right to dictate what other people call me when I am not there. I also strongly disagree with implying I have a right to ask other people to deny reality. To me, pronouns in an email signature implies that the person has the view that anyone who wishes to be a woman is a woman. I do not share that view.
We know that sexism exists in the workplace. I do not see any benefit to women in constantly reminding others that they are female in situations where that is entirely irrelevant.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 19/04/2022 14:35

Because it's buying in to the idea of gender ideology that is all based on steryotypes.
For instance as a he/him he would like fishing and fixing cars and being assertive and strong. That if he has any traditionally female traits then he is a non binary or female.
That everything must be evaluated through the lense of gender and every action coded 'male' or 'female'.
That the rigidity of coding human behaviour as male or female is leading some people to feel that their bodies are wrong and need fixing with surgeries and hormones, particularly teenage girls.

Snapespeare · 19/04/2022 14:32

Whenever I see a he/him in a work email signature, I think the individual is broadcasting their male privilege and that this is harmful to women at work because of the gender sex based pay gap.

Does your husband want to be 'that' guy?

tabbycatstripy · 19/04/2022 14:25

Typing too fast! Just to make others comfortable.

tabbycatstripy · 19/04/2022 14:24

Well, what does he believe? Does he believe people have gendered essences, or does he think it’s obvious that he’s a man?

Because to me, the use of pronouns to inform people whether you are a man or a woman presupposes that you believe there are some people who have a woman’s body but are a man inside.

Does he believe that?

The other argument for using them even if you don’t believe that is to be kind, with the point often made that declaring a pronouns is just to males others comfortable.

So how kind does he want to be? Does he want to declare his religion at work? What about his sexuality? What about his race? What about his child/child-free status? What about any disabilities he might have?

Because otherwise it’s just exceptionalism for this one issue.

MrsDanversBroom · 19/04/2022 14:20

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/pronouns/