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Not sure what to do about 'Women's Retreat'?

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Pebble21uk · 19/04/2022 11:13

Hello, new to posting on these boards but do read threads at times. I could do with a bit of (gentle) advice please as to how to handle my situation.

I've had a really tough time the last 2 years looking after other family members. As a treat they have contributed for me to go on a 'Women's Woodland Retreat' at a well known and upmarket Retreat Centre near me. It was somthing I said I would really like to do after reading about it last year.

The retreat centre runs a lot of different retreats. This one is run specifically for women, attendees sleep in individual bell tents in a small area within the grounds of the retreat centre. There is a compost loo and a shower in the courtyard of the main building.

I read the info several times and I may be mistaken, but I saw no mention of who could attend and who it was open to. I'm sure I would have noticed. I booked last year and paid my deposit ready for this June.
I looked at the info on it again the other day (same web page) and it now says 'This retreat is for all women (as self-intentified) aged 18 and above.

I have no issue with trans women being on the retreat - I would expect it to be open to them. What worries me is the 'self identified' wording. Surely this can mean that any man can self-id as a way of getting into a women only space and the retreat centre can't say no!?

I emailed the center last week asking if the wording had been changed, but have heard nothing back from them.
I wanted to go to a safe, women's space. I am lesbian and it just feels more comfortable for me - especially as this is in tents and not in a building where you can shut yourself away in your room.

I'm thinking I'm going to cancel - I don't want to worry about something that should be a treat. And this isnn't a cheap thing - especially at the moment, the cost is a big deal for me and for my family.

Am I over-thinking this?

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DomesticatedZombie · 19/04/2022 11:39

Sorry to hear you've had a tough time. And I'm sorry that you're worrying about this retreat.

I agree with tabby; if it's advertised as women-only but admits men it's unfair and misleading.

I cancelled a trip a while ago because I may have had to share with a 'non-binary' person and I wasn't willing to share a room with a male. (I have no idea of the sex of the person).

Apollo441 · 19/04/2022 11:29

Could you explain to us your understanding of the difference between a transwoman and a self identified woman? They are the same thing surely? Unless you think transwomen have had surgery (90% don't).

Lovelyricepudding · 19/04/2022 11:25

I have no issue with trans women being on the retreat - I would expect it to be open to them. What worries me is the 'self identified' wording. Surely this can mean that any man can self-id as a way of getting into a women only space and the retreat centre can't say no!?

Don't worry OP, any man who self ID's as a woman is a transwoman. After all that is the only way you can be a transwoman - a man who identifies as a woman. There is no medical test or treatment necessary to qualify. Transwomen do not need to present any differently from most other men either. And it would be rude to ask them.

tabbycatstripy · 19/04/2022 11:14

No. I might or might not want to go to a women-only retreat, but I wouldn’t pay for one and then go to a mixed sex retreat.

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