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Environmental group to choose

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ServantofthePeople · 18/04/2022 09:19

I would like to re-engage with an environmental group having run a Friends of the Earth group long ago. I don’t want to find myself with people running social justice campaigns re self ID etc.
Any to avoid? Any sensible ones? I’m aware that the Green Party is bonkers and to be avoided. I am hoping FotE is still sensible

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ServantofthePeople · 22/04/2022 08:59

And this:
"Bancroft states that one of the most common forms of support for abusers is the person “who says to the abused woman: ‘You should show him some compassion even if he has done bad things. Don’t forget that he’s a human being, too.’” Bancroft continues, “I have almost never worked with an abused woman who overlooked her partner’s humanity. The problem is the reverse: He forgets herhumanity."

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ServantofthePeople · 22/04/2022 08:59

"It all comes down to perceived entitlement. As Bancroft states, “Entitlement is the abuser’s belief that he has a special status and that it provides him with exclusive rights and privileges that do not apply to his partner. The attitudes that drive abuse can largely be summarized by this one word.”"

wow that is well put

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WarriorN · 21/04/2022 16:12

"It all comes down to perceived entitlement. As Bancroft states, “Entitlement is the abuser’s belief that he has a special status and that it provides him with exclusive rights and privileges that do not apply to his partner. The attitudes that drive abuse can largely be summarized by this one word.”"

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"Bancroft states that one of the most common forms of support for abusers is the person “who says to the abused woman: ‘You should show him some compassion even if he has done bad things. Don’t forget that he’s a human being, too.’” Bancroft continues, “I have almost never worked with an abused woman who overlooked her partner’s humanity. The problem is the reverse: He forgets her humanity."

All rather familiar Hmm

WarriorN · 21/04/2022 16:07

Also v interesting that he compares eco destruction to how Lundy Bancroft describes abusers.

derrickjensen.org/endgame/lundy-bancroft-abusers/

I don't understand how the Green Party aren't seeing the parallels.

DomesticatedZombie · 21/04/2022 15:59

Yes, and Lierre Keith (Also of DGR) is part of WoLF, I believe.

WarriorN · 21/04/2022 15:48
WarriorN · 21/04/2022 15:47

I hadn't twigged that Derrick Jenson, who wrote endgame that the DGR was based on, is the lecturer who plays queer double jeopardy with students, demonstrating how queer theory is a safeguarding nightmare for children and harmful to women.

Interesting...!

I also hadn't realised how many fb groups there are, including one in my local area.

DomesticatedZombie · 19/04/2022 23:03

Oh, thanks, I didn't know they had a UK chapter.

WarriorN · 19/04/2022 12:31

"Deep Green Resistance is a radical feminist organization. Men as a class are waging a war against women. Rape, battering, incest, prostitution, pornography, poverty, and gynocide are both the main weapons in this war and the conditions that create the sex-class women. Gender is not natural, not a choice, and not a feeling: it is the structure of women’s oppression. Attempts to create more “choices” within the sex-caste system only serve to reinforce the brutal realities of male power. As radicals, we intend to dismantle gender and the entire system of patriarchy which it embodies. The freedom of women as a class cannot be separated from the resistance to the dominant culture as a whole."

deepgreenresistance.uk/about-dgr-uk/

I hadn't seen the U.K. one before.

ServantofthePeople · 19/04/2022 09:32

“Stick to the day job guys”

This!
I will gladly work alongside people who say twaw (many of my friends) so long as the topic is not raised.
That’s all I ask of them.
Grrrr

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DomesticatedZombie · 19/04/2022 09:30

DGR are interesting in terms of shifting the Overton Window, imo. But maybe we need a range of groups/organisations - DGR to provoke contemplation, Greenpeace types to draw attention, FoE to inform policy and lobby decision makers. etc

Ohnohedident · 19/04/2022 09:20

Deep Green Restistance.

WarriorN · 19/04/2022 07:02

Dawn has been staunchly fighting this shit, especially some stuff around the challenor horrificness and stood for Blyth in the last election. She's been treated terribly by the greens and is now suing them. But as more of their bullying comes to light they'll be forced to sort their shit out.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10725149/Green-Party-sued-ex-official-claims-leaders-purged-members-questioned-trans-policy.html

WarriorN · 19/04/2022 06:59

I'd keep an eye on the Green Party.

Despite the fact that so many are suing them and they might collapse, I know more women fighting this shit in the Green Party than any other party.

I joined my local feminist group and then by chance found most were actually in the greens.

The deep green resistance (who I'm not sure are a particularly good group to follow as I think they're extreme) are actually anti trans crap, as they are soo green, but I know very little else.

GreenGoude · 19/04/2022 00:39

Green Feminists consist of women (and some male allies) inside & outside of the Green Party. If you can bear to join the Green Party (captured as it is at the top) there are lots of us working to change policy & challenge the 'no debate' narrative. We are having some success and numbers are crucial to that, so you would be very welcome!

cariadlet · 18/04/2022 23:18

Don't write off the Green Party.

The leadership are captured but the pro-trans voices, although vocal and influential, don't represent the majority of members who aren't really interested in the issue.

Green Feminists know that sex matters and are leading the fightback.

Local groups vary tremendously. Some are captured but not all. My local meetings are dominated by environmental issues. Sex and gender have only come up a couple of times and that's when I've fed back about the Spring Conference (members seemed rather nonplussed and were keen to move back to our normal topics of conversation!).

DomesticatedZombie · 18/04/2022 23:14

Hm. Greenpeace always have been sensationalist, though. FoE - I'd expect better.

OhHolyJesus · 18/04/2022 23:06

From Greenpeace in 2020, in response to them misinterpreting 'intersex' and using 'womxn'. My subscription also cancelled. The good news is womxn never really caught on.

"There’s more information on our policy on diversity and inclusion here >> https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/work-for-greenpeace/diversity-and-inclusion//_

And here’s an interesting piece from our International Executive Director >> http://www.ipsnews.net/2020/03/can-no-green-peace-without-gender-equality//_

We know that the success in Greenpeace’s work is deeply interconnected with the success of those working for racial, social, and gender justice and we believe it’s our responsibility to align our climate and environmental work with these movements."

DomesticatedZombie · 18/04/2022 23:04

Ah, ffs.

nevercis · 18/04/2022 22:54

Greenpeace is captured too. They have tweeted about TWAW. And instantly lost my subscription. Stick to the day job guys.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 18/04/2022 22:35

Friends of the Earth is captured at the top.

/4) A lack of access to toxic-free sustainable period care and education has consequences for the health of people who menstruate and the Earth.

Not talking about periods means it’s difficult to tackle these issues openly and honestly.

twitter.com/friends_earth/status/1319321351048626177?t=Q5ak6pfL4w26bQHR8Vl_pg&s=19

DomesticatedZombie · 18/04/2022 22:10

War Is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, Transwomen are Women.

ServantofthePeople · 18/04/2022 21:51

Oh For fuck’s sake.

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IvyTwines · 18/04/2022 21:47

Manchester Green Party have just tweeted "We shall say it again.
Manchester Green Party absolutely, unequivocally supports trans rights and women’s rights. They do not conflict.
Peace and love everyone" along with a little trans flag, green love heart and pulsing trans flag love heart gif that's looks right out of the hypnotism scene in Zoolander.

ServantofthePeople · 18/04/2022 21:05

Hmm, IWD is not FoE’s job but I guess it’s just noise....

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