Brighton midwives told to say “front hole”

I keep hearing about instances of the new language being introduced and made compulsory in medical settings - but never hear about women actually objecting to it when it is used with them in care. Is it actually being used? Do women just let it slide? Or do they feel awkward or too vulnerable to object?

ResisterRex, absobloodylutely to this:

"If someone is that upset about anatomically correct terms then I wonder about the ethics involved in giving them hormones or assisting with fertility. If you can't face reality of what body parts are called then how the hell are you going to deal with a baby?"

This person needs help, not pandering to!

As for the two births, hasn't one since desisted?

‘It’s clear from the daily mail that this only applies if the person is not comfortable with the ‘normal’ terminology and requests something else.’

I know. But aren’t there limits to what you can ask a medical professional to do?

The limit is what the patient requests. As it always is.

Why should they be forced to use degrading terms for the body? What if someone wanted to call the vagina a “penis receptacle”?

They can seek to transfer care to a colleague, just as they would fornany patient they had ethical reasons not to treat. But I suspect this point is a reductio ad absurdam rhetorical point.

Isn’t it better to use accurate terms anyway?

When amongst clinical,staff yes, and this guidance fpdoes nit cover that. In front of the patient then it is better to,p use the terms that the patient is familiar and comfortable with. This is particularly important in diverse areas (and I don't just mean trans by that)

And of course a transman might be pregnant not by choice, and of course they have the right to be pregnant whatever anyone thinks. But do they have the right to control others’ language in this way?

Yes, just like every patient already has

This pisses me off more than anything. How about improving maternity care for everyone and putting whatever extra resources into reducing the unacceptable higher maternal mortality rate for black women? That should be much higher priority than terminology training for someone’s precious feelings.

My main problem with it is that any time and money at all has been spent putting these guidelines together and publicising them internally when there are so many other areas of maternity services where that time and money could be far better spent. Areas where women and children are actually dying or suffering life changing consequences.

"This strained, clumsy, impractical lexicon is meant to cater instead to the tiny number of natal females who transition to male socially but not medically and give birth. As of 2017, the UK had two such people. To coin a phrase, the policy is not for the many, but the few. Women don’t matter; people who have renounced being women do."

Why are the language police trying to wipe out women?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d1157740-6d57-11eb-ba86-e516f9df6e0a?shareToken=ab3552cb26c8c29af01c9783d37effc8

So what happens to standard medical terms? Can they no longer use those as well? VE, vaginal examination, becomes FHE? SVD, spontaneous vaginal delivery, becomes SFHD?

Absolutely ridiculous. Trans or not, they still have a vulva and vagina. It's biology. The midwives and other staff all need to be able to communicate with each other via a common language/abbreviation system. It'll get dangerous if everyone calls it something different.

1. This is where you wonder how someone got pregnant in the first place. You'd have to have had sex and/or stopped taking hormones and so on for the pregnancy to occur. How do you do all that without dealing with your body and what sex it is? If someone is that upset about anatomically correct terms then I wonder about the ethics involved in giving them hormones or assisting with fertility. If you can't face reality of what body parts are called then how the hell are you going to deal with a baby?

1. As PP have said, it's not even right to say "front" as it would be "middle". Fucking hell they may as well be saying "front bottom" for all the thought and maturity that's gone into this.

1. And most importantly, as half of our maternity services are not safe, this is like sticking two fingers up to all the women and babies who deserve safe care. Safe care can't be given if you're working in a climate of fear and having to worry about whether someone is offended you used the right word to talk to them about their labour and delivery.

But it doesn’t even make sense. Under the trans ideology, ‘vagina’ IS gender-neutral language. Because ‘men can have vaginas’.

Yes, that's the puzzling bit!

Deep misogyny at play. A profound jealously of women and our power to bring life into the world.

Does anyone know how many transmen have actually given birth in the UK?

I'm sure the numbers don't warrant this assault on medical terminology.

It's 27 years since I was pregnant, but I'm sure "birth canal" was a term used at a number of appointments/classes I attended. Old fashioned, I guess, but surely better for anyone who is uncomfortable with the correct terms for the female anatomy than the current suggestions.

To describe the birth canal as a hole is disgusting.

Putting aside any other issues, it's the MIDDLE hole fgs! A midwife trying to deliver a baby from the front hole wouldn't have qualified

This I remember being really clear with my DCs on this one aged (I'm guessing 4 and 6). It is part of my job but I can't stand the fact that girls on the cusp of woman good have no easily understood friendly word (or words) for their genitals. And front hole is not that.

Ha ha love the word mangina. How is it that people get slated for calling the vagina a “front bottom” to young girls but front hole would be acceptable for a trans man ? Having a baby is the most feminine thing someone can do . A trans “man” who is having a baby should have to live with the terminology. They cannot have the best of both worlds . They are obviously hedging their bets. The midwives have enough to contend with!

Haha great points about it not being the front hole 😂 the logic just falls apart too quickly on this stuff