Brighton midwives told to say “front hole”

Every inch snatched, it's always 'but it's just....' 'it's just....'

Childbirth is a total mess, women's experience is awful, women and babies die because of poor care, the NHS is on its knees, a woman has been raped in the name of this political ideology on a ward in a wholly predictable and foreseeable fuck up of safeguarding, but sure, let's spend a whole lot of time and energy and money facilitating males to separate biology from the word 'woman' and reshape it for males to better live their best lives.

'It's just...' women.

Wasn't it just a few years ago there were campaigns to educate women about their own sexual anatomy as so few could correctly name their own body parts?

By the charities and organisations now falling over themselves to be so inclusive that they're undoing that work.

I’m not convinced people who struggle so much with words like “vagina” to the extent this kind of guidance has to be introduced are stable enough to be having children.

I remember when it was considered progressive to teach children the correct anatomical names for bits of their bodies.

This is not the same thing though. And I am.so sorry for what happened fir you.

Whatever word you used you were still highly aware of your sex and what had happened.

What's being asked here is that midwives Indulge a lie about sex and bodies with people who they cannot even be sure are even aware of the reality around their body.

Medically inaccurate language does not benefit women..wonen are already an afterthought in.medicine. we cannot afford to allow this to happen. Or we will all.become birthing bodies with front holes.

This made me laugh hard.

@Beachsidesunset

'My furry front botty is a bit hurty, Doctor!'

Was it from The Fast Show?

That’s all this guidance is saying. That people are allowed to have that conversation.

What's the equivalent for male anatomy?

This this this.

"Front hole" is useful for explaining anatomy to small children who don't know the word "urethra" yet.

It is not useful during birth. Hopefully anyone giving birth knows that the baby isn't going to come out of her anus (back hole). So if they need to distinguish between different "holes" surely that would be the opening in the cervix, or the entrance to the vagina, so "front" still isn't clear or helpful.
And babies aren't born by just popping out of a "hole." It's a long journey where they travel through the mother's body. You need to know when to wait if the cervix isn't dilated enough, when to bear down with your pelvic floor, when to try not to push too hard to minimise tearing of the perineum.

Surely sticking with "birth canal" is the best and easiest thing for people who feel "vagina" is too girly to apply to them? It is a good description of what the vagina actually is during birth and helps to picture it as the amazing 3D organ it is, not just a little penis holder. It is very well known, long established and clear in meaning. And not at all gendered!

Urgh. No, you don’t have the right to walk into a hospital and start throwing around obscene language. How entitled.

Do you imagine that the person would actually walk through the front door and start hollering ‘FRONT HOLE’? (which is not a term I like but I don’t think is obscene)

I can assure you that is not accurate. It would be a conversation between the patient and the person in charge of their care.

But why are we allowing them to request it

This is an awful precedent. Patients being able to request specific care that makes them feel comfortable is not something I’d like to shut down.

For instance when I was r*ped, I went to the STI clinic and told the practitioner not to use the word. I didn’t want them to use that word, or the word assault. I still can’t bring myself to even type it. I just kept using the word sex and so did she. It’s not accurate or true but I really appreciated it. We both understood what I meant because we’d had the conversation.

That’s all this guidance is saying. That people are allowed to have that conversation.

@Queenoftheashes this 100%!

This type of language is horrid, porn-like and makes no sense.

Wasn't it just a few years ago there were campaigns to educate women about their own sexual anatomy as so few could correctly name their own body parts?

Women being failed again and again.

I fail to see how anyone can really be offended by anatomical language. And I thought the proper words for things was a safeguarding tool as well as one important for consent in medical practice?

It's not about the transmen, clearly. There are hardly any. Where is the campaign? Who are they? How come this small number of unnamed women have the power to get the NHS to change policy? The NHS who deny a woman was raped due to this ideology, suddenly care so much about women they're re-naming body parts on request?

Nah.

And where is the reporting on re-naming male anatomy for all the transwomen. New names for prostates, testicles, penises, etc.

This is just more of the male led campaign to separate the word 'woman' from female biology, so it can be claimed by those who don't have it.

Then suddenly, the inconsistency of it only being done to women, the porny, dehumanising term, and the lack of knowledge about how female anatomy is positioned, makes perfect sense.

Joking aside beach isn't that what adults say to teens about sex. That if you cant talk about it ( using appropriate language and being able to discuss contraception) you shouldn't be doing it.

If an adult can't talk about their body with accurate terms are they even mentally capable to consent.

The language described in the OP is just plain juvenile, meaningless and offensive.

Medical professionals should always use correct terminology and not be seen to be pandering to a ludicrous ideology.

Hasn’t the NHS got more pressing issues to deal with? A friend of mine locally is a midwife. She told me that on Good Friday there were two, yes TWO, community midwives on call overnight for a vast swathe of our county (very glad I didn’t know about this 19 years ago).

Pun absolutely intended: this health trust need to stop fannying around with discussing which poor snowflake may be “triggered” by terminology that is actually anatomically correct and focus on the current, shocking recruitment crisis in midwifery.

'My furry front botty is a bit hurty, Doctor!'

But why are we allowing them to request it?

If children are told the correct names for their body parts at a young age in order to help keep them safe why are we removing that safeguard for trans people? Because you assume they know already because someone else did the dirty work a few years ago?

The average reading age in the UK is something like 12. We cannot assume that patients already know anything or understand anything.

Would a dr assume a patient already knows what diabetes is so there's no point In explaining certain parts? Or would they fully explain the condition and the means to treat it?

The men having babies are actually women who've had sex the way women have sex in order to get pregnant?
But they object to what exactly? They have a vagina they were happy to use to have sex? If they don't want to be women they should stop having sex like women?

Maybe they should use transistory belts. Like chastity belts but to stop them forgetting how they shouldn't have sex?

I support their right to refuse to use any such language.

Absolutely. The patient has the right to request it. The midwife has a right to abstain and seek somebody who will provide the correct care. Free speech is great.