Girlguiding dilemma

I would not touch GG these days.

It's safeguarding. That is more important than going along with the crowd.

Your DD relies on you to make these tough decisions and she might not like it but, as a parent, you have to do it for her.

I was a Brownie and Guide leader until about a year ago (stopped for childcare reasons, not anything else). The only time I heard anything to do with trans discussed was when a Guide said "there's a boy at my school who used to be a girl" and another girl said "oh, there's no one like that at my school" and then they moved on with the activity.

The leaders' own views will vary depending on the person, like anywhere else, but most of the Guide leaders I volunteered with were genteel older church ladies who'd probably be trying to recall their Latin lessons if you brought up the word "pronouns." Of course this isn't the same in every unit!

I don't know if you've looked at Scout's pages on this. They do also describe themselves of inclusive of trans people, respecting pronouns, allowing trans young people to choose which facilities to use, etc. Even though there's been a lot of Twitter attention on Girlguiding specifically, I expect most youth organisations are similar.
www.scouts.org.uk/volunteers/inclusion-and-diversity/including-everyone/lgbtplus/transgender-and-gender-identity/supporting-trans-young-people/

It's really not about whether she meets a transchild, that's an awful thing to say, Samphire!

It's about being taught that your body can be wrong, that some people need to medicate their perfectly healthy bodies to fit an unattainable ideal, and it's about basic safeguarding.

Firstly what do you mean by "a group under the Girlguiding banner"?
Is it GG or not, because the only groups under the Guiding banner are GG units.

Secondly, as an ex Guider, I agree with a PP who said that the local leaders will probably not understand the intricacies of the whole transgender debate and are not ever likely to be in a position where they have to allow a boy/man to share sleeping/washing/toileting space with a girl.

Having said all that though, I left because I was also a District Commissioner who was put on a warning for publicly stating my views of the GG self ID policy on FB, and because I never wanted to be in a position where I was signing off the paperwork for an event where I knew men could be helping small girls to get dressed or go to the toilet without being able to mention it on a risk assessment.

It's a crying shame because GG is fab otherwise though the new programme is pants and I fully support the need for and benefits of single sex organisations, which Scouts isn't.

Girl guiding has used the School of Sexuality Education to ‘train’ its National Youth Panel. These are the same people doing The Family Sex Show.

Up to their ideological eyeballs in it.

Tbh and I'm as GC as they come, the local group leaders are probably quite unaware of HQ's position and it'll be run in such as way as you'd expect and want. I've always felt uncomfortable exercising my principles via my dc although if they are very TWAW then I'd see that as protecting them. Why not ask the group leaders themselves then make an informed decision?

You are probably right. DD will want to do it because her friends are. She may never meet a transchild, the problem may never come up

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Hard decision. But for me, it’s unacceptable for my daughter to be taught a load of BS by idiotic adults who won’t put her safety first. I would say no, book something else during that slot that is really fun, and encourage her to expand her friendship group. We really have to say no.