Apparently female rape survivors 'need' mixed sex groups

I've only seen the news about this today.

The mind bogles. I don't pretend to be any sort of expert on any of these issues, but how on earth could "experts" supporting victims of rape think it was appropriate (or necessary) to have men in the group?

I’m all for trans rights, but I was raped by my older kids dad a lot and I have to admit I’d hate this and I wouldn’t feel comfortable at all.

Was it on Radio 4 at 7.08? I am listening back to Today and can't find it

Sending you a HH Sarah

The self righteous whining from the council did my head in though.

Yes it has at 7:08. Excellent coverage - I really hope your action has impact.

I think it's just been on Radio 4?

Did the BBC report just decide not to include in the report that they ran trans only groups too?

@IamSarah is this your legal challenge that's been reported on the BBC?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61958346

Female service users won't ever be asked, unless it's a controlled, carefully selected group who can be relied upon to give the right answer.

It is not female service users who need to establish a narrative that female rape survivors need male people in their support groups.

It's another 'this is the desired end point, so here's about twenty wild, flailing around and semi coherent attempts at justifying that desired end point' thing.

Thank you.

There's absolutely no way of telling the difference. At the end of the day, it is a strange male and we don't know their intentions so they should never be in any women only space.

My ex was extremely abusive to me (and other girls) in his teens, I dread to think what he's like now as a 39 year old man.

This is just shocking misogyny. Women who have been raped do not need or want anyone with a penis in their safe spaces. Anyone claiming they do - without even bothering to ask the female rape victims, just speaking over them, is an out and out misogynist.

Let's see the female service users being asked this question. Let's see the % that agree. No way would they consent to this.

Yes, I think that too.

It’s barbaric.

When I read godawful shite that I just thought the gap between TRAs and overt MRAs is closing by the minute. There’s a few things I’ve seen on Twitter too that lead me to think that, young TRA ally males who don’t even bother to hide the fact they’re totally pro MRA too, all the guff about “misandry” and feminism gone too far etc. “Women do it too!” is very much a part of that chorus.

What the hell did I just read? Such complete bollocks.

Is there nothing that will not be sacrificed at the alter of trans bullshit. I can't believe they are throwing vulnerable women under the bus like this? It's abhorrent.

And as for this -
'It is true that the majority of perpetrators are male, but we also know that as a society, we make it extremely difficult to speak out about crimes committed by female perpetrators so the true scale of these perpetrators is largely unknown.'

It sounds as if they are trying to say that there are large swathes of female sex offenders out there that just haven't been reported. Which we know is not true. The fact that most sexual offences are committed by males on females is not just accidental, or some anomaly FFS.

I'm in my late 30s. My ex boyfriend who raped and sexually assaulted me when I was 14 and he was 15 is now a 'transwoman'.

So no, they are not 'needed' or 'valued'. Not by me.

Some of them, like my ex, are predatory and should be kept away from all females, actually.

An excellent response.

This is the core issue across the whole 'queering society/childhood/everything' agenda: those passionate about this agenda seem to have significant problems realising that other people and their lives, needs and services are not an inanimate resource or prop available to be used in other people's lovely personal experiences and furthering their personal hobby horses. And throwing a tantrum, shouting 'extreme Christian right' (no, not anywhere in the uk dear, doesn't exist) and insisting that we don't talk to grotty, smelly, stupid old people who don't helicopter parent on demand and who do evil things like point out conflicting needs and their own rights is not an acceptable adult response that society can indulge.

An inability to understand or respect others, their consent, their boundaries, and to cope with non compliance on demand is the core issue across the board. Services should not be run for the lovely experience provided to the service providers. Increasingly this issue is meaning any service once captured is no longer capable of performing their core brief.

Which means that this, like all politics and faiths, should have no place in public services.

Sex Matters has responded to this issue. They have used the word "no" a lot, so presumably someone will be along soon to tell them they are wrong and should be quiet.

twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1519340296542302208
"When @ EHRC published their single sex service guidance a small group of trustees, staff and volunteers of women's sector organisations wrote to tell them they were wrong.
We have published an analysis of that letter"

sex-matters.org/posts/single-sex-services/survivors-network/
sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Survivors-Network-letter.pdf

From the analysis, which contains a breakdown of the signatories:

"Do the signatories reflect a high proportion of the women’s sector?
No. This is a narrow group.

Do the signatories represent expertise on the Equality Act?
No. No equality law academics or lawyers signed.

Are the claims in the letter about user attitudes reliable?
No. They are based on a tiny sample and flawed methodology.

Does the letter reflect the views of the women’s sector as a whole?
No. Most women’s organisations understand that single-sex services cannot accommodate both sexes."

The only reason to exclude a particular person from a support group such as this is because they belong to the class of people that is the oppressor.

That doesn't work for raped women wanting to be in a space to talk away from the class of people that were their oppressor.

Works for male people though.

Sex based thinking. And no genital checks or chromosome checks necessary; we all know who gets to say no, and whose 'no' is a reason for punishment.

@IamSarah , @Artichokeleaves

Exactly.

The only reason to exclude a particular person from a support group such as this is because they belong to the class of people that is the oppressor.

So men don’t oppress women, but plain old female women oppress trans people? It’s so offensive.

Makes it very clear that 'equality' is not what it is about.

You'll get a lot of nonsense about 'privilege' meaning that it's necessary to stamp on women to raise male people up enough, it's kind of the new 'original sin of Eve' thing, but in all honesty it's just plain male supremacism. And wholly sex based thinking. With no problem at all knowing who is of which sex.