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A Detailed Look At “The Family Sex Show”

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Sazzasez · 15/04/2022 19:03

Just for clarity & in case anyone jumps at the chance to call me a right-winger bent on denying women reproductive rights: I’m a socialist agnostic who has protested anti-abortionists.

And I know a child safeguarding hazard when I see one.

Performances planned in Bath, Bristol and Norwich.

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theDudesmummy · 17/04/2022 18:24

Excellent! And how very DARVO of them in their ridiculous statement, but who is suprised? We know exactly what they and to a greater extent their backers really are after all. I am very veryv glad that my email to the NSPCC is seen as part of a "threat" to open societal grooming of children for sexual abuse. That was the intended result.

ResisterRex · 17/04/2022 18:21

@Plasmodesmata

The cancellation statement says "information regarding the content of the show was made available to bookers before coming to see it". Is that true? I thought they hadn't finished developing it?
It was not true. There was meant to be a much fuller page that was not available.
Plasmodesmata · 17/04/2022 18:18

The cancellation statement says "information regarding the content of the show was made available to bookers before coming to see it".
Is that true?
I thought they hadn't finished developing it?

ResisterRex · 17/04/2022 18:18
Hmm

"Asking questions about child protection", they mean

tabbycatstripy · 17/04/2022 18:16

If it had been all fine and nothing to give anyone concern, it wouldn’t have been cancelled because of some emails and tweets. It was cancelled (clearly) because the theatres wouldn’t have wanted to be associated with the bad PR.

Organictangerine · 17/04/2022 18:15

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

"Threat and abuse", they say.

I imagine there will be screenshots then. It couldn't possibly be that they are characterising middle-aged mothers as abusive for emailing about their safeguarding policy, could it?

Exactly this!

🥂 cheers, everyone! Another victory facilitated by Mumsnet.

Women are wonderful.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 17/04/2022 18:14

The correct response to a safeguarding concern is to openly and transparently respond, show the safeguarding measures put in place in an open and above board way, show the risk assessments, not claim victimhood and that women raising safeguarding concerns about children is 'threatening' behaviour.

It was certainly an option that was open to them. It's disappointing that the theatre company and actors chose an alternative mode of action in response.

After all, the respective insurers surely did their due diligence before the theatres went ahead with scheduling this production into their offerings so the impact assessments etc. must be available.

IcakethereforeIam · 17/04/2022 18:11

I can't disagree, but the whole 'woe is we'...Angry

DomesticatedZombie · 17/04/2022 18:04

Overall, I think this is probably for the best.

theemperorhasnoclothes · 17/04/2022 18:02

'abuse' - DARVO in action.

Tells you all about who they are and actually proves the women raising safeguarding concerns as right to be concerned.

The correct response to a safeguarding concern is to openly and transparently respond, show the safeguarding measures put in place in an open and above board way, show the risk assessments, not claim victimhood and that women raising safeguarding concerns about children is 'threatening' behaviour.

The only way that what women on here have been doing is 'threatening' is if you're a paedophile.

IcakethereforeIam · 17/04/2022 17:58

Bottle it and complain of being cancelled it is then. They could have tried to address the concerns, maybe let a journalist sit in on the rehearsals. But no, easier to play the victim.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/04/2022 17:58

So challenging the ethics of random adults stripping naked in front of very young children and discussing consent through pleasure with 5 - 10 year olds is "abuse"? Nope.

Hopefully there's finally been some pressure applied behind the scenes to ensure that children are safeguarded from deluded adults performing completely age inappropriate acts and conversations with very young children. And if they're only capable of protecting egos by blaming those insisting children are safeguarded, then that's their problem. Maybe Crispin Blunt is their role model?

AlisonDonut · 17/04/2022 17:53

Great news.

tabbycatstripy · 17/04/2022 17:52

Win!

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 17/04/2022 17:51

Would that "abuse" be people asking the NSPCC how they were involved with the show and the NSPCC responding that they weren't?

The sort of "abuse" that is actually people fact-checking and carrying out due diligence?

titchy · 17/04/2022 17:49

Good result!

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/04/2022 17:49

"Threat and abuse", they say.

I imagine there will be screenshots then. It couldn't possibly be that they are characterising middle-aged mothers as abusive for emailing about their safeguarding policy, could it?

Cwenthryth · 17/04/2022 17:46

It’s been cancelled

twitter.com/aspergerlicious/status/1515718552640237582?s=21

A Detailed Look At “The Family Sex Show”
Clymene · 16/04/2022 21:38

@DomesticatedZombie

I think it's possible this was created with secondary school pupils in mind. And then at some point something's gone wrong and someone's opened up the age rating. Perhaps they don't understand the concept of 'age appropriate'.

TBH I think it would be questionable regardless of the age of the children; to aim it at 5 yos is just incredible.

I wondered if they opened it up to a wider age range to tick some arcane Arts Council funding box.
DomesticatedZombie · 16/04/2022 21:12

And 'PG' ('General viewing, but some scenes may be unsuitable for young children. A PG film should not unsettle a child aged around eight or older. Unaccompanied children of any age may watch, but parents are advised to consider whether the content may upset younger, or more sensitive, children'.)

Language

Mild bad language only. Aggressive or very frequent use of mild bad language may result in a work being passed at a higher category.

Nudity

There may be nudity with no sexual context.

Sex

Sexual activity may be implied, but should be discreet and infrequent. Mild sex references and innuendo only.

DomesticatedZombie · 16/04/2022 21:11

Here's the film rating for a 'U' film - suitable for all ages from 4 up:

Language

Infrequent use only of very mild bad language.

Nudity

Occasional nudity, with no sexual context.

Sex

Occasional nudity, with no sexual context.

FOJN · 16/04/2022 20:55

Perhaps, the show will go on and will be harmless, but if that's because it was overhyped or because they've been forced to see sense, might never be known.

I think if it was harmless to begin with they would be more transparent about the shows contents. If they can't because they haven't finished developing it then what were they doing claiming it was suitable for 5+ and what were the venue's thinking when they agreed to host it.

They could modify it but unless they change the recommended age say to 11 or 13 plus, make it age appropriate for that age, remove the nudity, tone down the queer agenda and take some safeguarding advice it's still not going to be acceptable.

I want the groomers, paedophiles (I'm not going to use MAP) and their apologists to know we're watching and will speak up when they start pushing boundaries.

Organictangerine · 16/04/2022 20:31

I don’t think anyone should regret attempting to bring this show into the sunlight even if it has attracted a lot of publicity. The alternative is the ‘turn a blind eye and hope it goes away’ and since when has that ever worked?

IcakethereforeIam · 16/04/2022 20:20

It doesn't help that no-one, apparently not even the cast know what this show will be. The stuff that's been put out seems inappropriate for at least some of the target audience. It may be when it's shown, everyone will be relieved/disappointed. If it wasn't for all the, I think, justifiable concern this wretched little show will have come and gone with no-one really noticing. At the moment it's a bit Passion of St Tibulus. The company have got masses of publicity. Perhaps, they'll bottle it and then complain of being cancelled. Perhaps, the show will go on and will be harmless, but if that's because it was overhyped or because they've been forced to see sense, might never be known.

Organictangerine · 16/04/2022 20:10

@SeanChailleach

It was in FWR sex and gender - where is the one you started?
Shamelessly started in AIBU for traffic!