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A Detailed Look At “The Family Sex Show”

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Sazzasez · 15/04/2022 19:03

Just for clarity & in case anyone jumps at the chance to call me a right-winger bent on denying women reproductive rights: I’m a socialist agnostic who has protested anti-abortionists.

And I know a child safeguarding hazard when I see one.

Performances planned in Bath, Bristol and Norwich.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/nope?s=r

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MarchXX · 17/04/2022 19:47

Glossary thefamilysexshow.com/glossary?i=white-supremacy

MarchXX · 17/04/2022 19:47

@ExMachinaDeus

Has anyone actually seen this show? I'm not in the area, and I"m not a safeguarding expert (I tach undergrads, so safeguarding issues are different ) but it would be interesting to hear responses to the show from those of you expert in safeguarding &development of children of the age bracket the show is designed for.

I am really conflicted about this - I abhor censorship, and particularly the kind of "Mary Whitehouse" knee jerk response to theatre that's open about sex. And that no-one has seen. I guess I was brought up as a bit of an old 1970s hippy/liberal about these things. Although never, ever pro-porn (which is basically commercialised rape).

But there are elements of the show, as it's advertised & talked about, that do seem quite at odds with the care we now try to take over children's bodies, minds, and their appropriate sexual development.

Any reports from audiences?

Have a look at their glossary of words they will be using during the show. Come back after and give us your thoughts then.
stimpyyouidiot · 17/04/2022 19:47

Very, very pleased that i was able to help in this instance.

Organictangerine · 17/04/2022 19:38

Gender is a construct, which means it is given a definition (which can change)

How convenient.

MarchXX · 17/04/2022 19:34

[quote stimpyyouidiot]@IsabelaMadrigal thefamilysexshow.com/glossary[/quote]
Long list of words and their meanings as defined by (probably) stonewall. Many not suitable for viewing or discussing with and by children and certainly (as you can see below), several are incorrectly described.

   ....the word gay "refers to being attracted to the same gender as your own". So, they copy the stonewall lie rather than the truth of same <strong>sex</strong> attracted.

Additionally, heterosexual (my emphasis) is "(also referred to as ‘straight’) someone who is attracted to people of the opposite gender. For example, a man who is attracted to a woman." So you can see that sex, which is immutable, is not mentioned but gender which is fluid, is.

Here's what they say about menstruation, you know, that thing that only happens to young women/females/XX - "(also referred to as ‘periods’) - when the womb lining sheds and blood comes out of the vagina. The length and frequency of periods varies from person to person. No mention at all of women, females, girls.

Here is what they say about period poverty "when someone doesn’t have access to the period or menstrual products they need."

This is what they describe as TERF "a person who excludes the rights of transgender women from their work on women's rights."

Sigh, here is the vagina described ..."a tube of muscle which connects the outside of the body (from the vulva) to the womb. The opening of this hole is the bit you can see from the outside." Yet again, women and girls eliminated.

Their descriptor for gender is as follows:_

"Gender is a construct, which means it is given a definition (which can change) by society. Someone’s gender relates to who they know they are in their minds. Some people might describe their gender in relation to femininity and masculinity and what they understand those words to mean.

Other people might not relate to those words at all. There are many different ways that people think and feel about gender - you can use whatever words around gender that might work for you!"

No mention of what a paedophile is nor MAP (minor attracted person) nor PIE (paedophile information exchange).

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/04/2022 19:29

For posterity

A fun and silly performance about the painfully AWKWARD subject of sex, exploring names and functions,boundaries,consent,pleasure,sex, sexuality,genderand relationships. Using real life bodies, personal stories, songs and movement, The Family Sex Show puts the good stuff at the forefront of conversation and imagines a future where there is no shame; but a celebration of difference,equalityandliberation.

ThisEgg invites you to bring your parents, bring your children, friends, lovers and bring your whole self.

The Family Sex Show is a theatre show which opens up conversations around relationships. The show is being created with input and guidance from educational and safeguarding specialists.

It is with an enormous sense of responsibility, compassion and caution towards young people and their parents that we consider this an important piece of theatre.

theDudesmummy · 17/04/2022 19:26

I that Theatre Royal site even helpfully listed prices for a seat occcupied by an adult with a baby on their lap. That would be a good idea, right. Men having babies on their laps while watching naked people taking about sex to children. Urgh.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 17/04/2022 19:18

I suspect that the recent nature of the announcement means that there hasn't been enough time to update the websites of all the venes.

www.theatreroyal.org.uk/event/the-family-sex-show/

theDudesmummy · 17/04/2022 19:16

@higherthanthat I work with abuse survivors and that is exactly right, as I have described in a post a long way upthread now.

theDudesmummy · 17/04/2022 19:13

The tweet says "to cancel the national tour" which suggests other theatres won't be putting it on? If those other theatres still are, could people write to their local safeguarding bodies asap? We may need to keep up the so called "threats and abuse" ie pointing out clear safeguarding violations to the appropriate organisations and services.

Organictangerine · 17/04/2022 19:11

It says the National Tour is cancelled which suggests all showings?

higherthanthat · 17/04/2022 19:10

using pleasure to explore consent

As everyone says, this statement alone shows they either understand nothing about child sexual abuse or they are active groomers (most likely the first - well-meaning, though still harmful, idiots. Though I don't use that to let them off the hook. Its bloody obvious that they should have fully researched this area before coming up with this show).

Child sex abuse victims, such as Billy Connolly, do talk about one of the confusing things about the abuse, as a child, is that it can bring feelings of sexual pleasure. So no, this is not a ' way into talking about consent' for children. Quite the bloody reverse. Clever paedophiles can use exactly that, if it feels good its ok for us to do it, to groom.

Even for adults, the fact it feels physically good, does not always mean it is not causing psychological or emotional upset.

Sazzasez · 17/04/2022 19:06

As far as I can see it’s only in Norwich that it’s cancelled. A look at Bath’s Theatre Royal & Bristol’s Tobacco Factory suggest it will go ahead there.

I believe in Norwich quite a few people have raised the safeguarding issues with County Councillors and the Norfolk Child Safeguarding Team, as well as with the Norfolk & Norwich festival, which booked it.

I wonder if they sold any tickets?

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Organictangerine · 17/04/2022 18:56

Oh wait sorry that’s the Family Sex Show page on ThisEgg website, not the show’s website itself. Rushing to distance I wonder?

Organictangerine · 17/04/2022 18:55

Looks like they’ve deleted the show’s website…

Good thing we got the screen grabs…

A Detailed Look At “The Family Sex Show”
dropthevipers · 17/04/2022 18:54

If nothing else, the fact they thought they could put on this highly dubious production without challenge shows how fucking embedded this bullshit ideology is, pretty well every where.

VestofAbsurdity · 17/04/2022 18:42

I want to know what due diligence the Arts Council carried out before funding this.

Likewise, I also want to know why it was ever sanctioned in the first place, let's see the evidence.

theDudesmummy · 17/04/2022 18:41

That was a very good article.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 17/04/2022 18:35

It feels so similar to Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey that it's hard to believe that nobody realised that they needed to be appropriately diligent about this.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/london-library-redbridge-monkey-costume-children-event-b945272.html

I want to know what due diligence the Arts Council carried out before funding this.

DomesticatedZombie · 17/04/2022 18:34
  • sorry, I should add CONTENT WARNING - for that article above, discussions of sexual abuse.
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/04/2022 18:34

I found it utterly enraging that the FAQ page basically admitted that an abuser could take a child to this production, and then use the show as a fricking figleaf for his/her/furrys victim's age-inappropriate familiarity with sexual vocabulary.

Statistically, at least 3 kids in every school class has been sexually abused, and we are supposed to be laidback about an arts production for 5 year olds that will make it harder to identify and safeguard children experiencing sexual abuse? For cultural capital and status as the Right Sort of Permissive Parents?

Screw that.

DomesticatedZombie · 17/04/2022 18:33

30k+ signatures on a petition and several newspaper articles would usually be seen as pretty good publicity, I think.

But perhaps there are limits to the tolerance of the public for 'live nude stage shows for kids'. You would reasonably expect some push back for the title alone (as noted in this excellent & sobering article I've only just seen:

'Why is it being called “The Family Sex Show”? I cannot work out if the name is sinister or stupid. Incest, or intrafamilial sexual abuse (IFCSA), is alarmingly frequent yet difficult to find data on.... Smiley educated young professionals, a national newspaper and national theatres are now endorsing the message that young children discussing erections, arousal, the intricacies of sexual pleasure, while witnessing adults expose their genitals with their family members, is needed and beneficial to the child. No. That relatives want to discuss sex acts and orgasms and introduce their children to public adult nudity should raise alarm bells, not jolly Guardian reviews.'

thecritic.co.uk/why-are-we-allowing-the-family-sex-show/

theDudesmummy · 17/04/2022 18:32

They would not know the correct way to respond to a safeguarding concern because they didn't even factor safeguarding into their planning, so would not have had any procedures to deal with it. Just tried to completely deceptively hang on to the coat tails of the NSPCC and thought that would cover it. Well well done everyone! But its just a battle won, the war continues.

MarchXX · 17/04/2022 18:28

[quote Cwenthryth]It’s been cancelled

twitter.com/aspergerlicious/status/1515718552640237582?s=21[/quote]
Delighted. Just listening to Glinner's yt programme talking about this.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 17/04/2022 18:27

@theemperorhasnoclothes

'abuse' - DARVO in action.

Tells you all about who they are and actually proves the women raising safeguarding concerns as right to be concerned.

The correct response to a safeguarding concern is to openly and transparently respond, show the safeguarding measures put in place in an open and above board way, show the risk assessments, not claim victimhood and that women raising safeguarding concerns about children is 'threatening' behaviour.

The only way that what women on here have been doing is 'threatening' is if you're a paedophile.

This.