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A Detailed Look At “The Family Sex Show”

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Sazzasez · 15/04/2022 19:03

Just for clarity & in case anyone jumps at the chance to call me a right-winger bent on denying women reproductive rights: I’m a socialist agnostic who has protested anti-abortionists.

And I know a child safeguarding hazard when I see one.

Performances planned in Bath, Bristol and Norwich.

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MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 19/04/2022 10:53

twitter.com/ThisEgg_/status/1516336468784029698?t=6aI_ei7_m0y898je-6s6AQ&s=19

The standard "we've been threatened" line.
Actually, they were shown up and people quite rightly said a big fat no to their right on, sex positive, pleasure focused, 'terf' in the glossary so we know what they think of women really, getting naked on stage car crash of a show because they aimed it towards children.

I don't care how 'consensual' it is, or what 'safeguarding' they've used, whipping your kit off and talking about sex acts in front of 5 year olds....what the fuck were they thinking?! They think they can pull that shit in the name of harmless education, they can think again.

Rhannion · 19/04/2022 01:39

@nomoremsniceperson

1) the words "family", "sex" and "show" do not belong in the same sentence for anyone with a healthy mindset regarding sex or families.
  1. this has been a problem on the left/liberal side for decades. In the German Democratic Republic, young leftists became so obsessed with deconstructing anything associated with conservatism that they literally believed it was their duty to initiate their own children into sex. Those with a strong stomach can read all about it here: www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

  2. the fact they lied about the NSPCC being involved - something they've now removed from their website - is a massive red flag. Why are they overstating their safeguarding chops?

That article is absolutely shocking & sickening. I notice the German Green Party were involved...I wonder if the Scottish & English Greens have the same “ interests “
theemperorhasnoclothes · 18/04/2022 11:28

The fact they are attacking those raising safeguarding concerns and framing them as 'abusive' and 'threatening' tells you all you need to know about them.

They don't understand safeguarding and they are not acting in good faith. They do not have children's best interests at heart.

The fucking IRONY that they're supposedly so concerned about the safety of their 'performers' but not about the safety of 5 year old children. Well, it tells you all you need to know.

Well done wims for shutting this down. We've had a safeguarding win.

Monitaurus · 18/04/2022 11:12

Why aren’t the company prepared to say that they got it wrong, their safeguarding needed to be looked at and they will take advice from parents/ women’s groups/ safeguarding experts on the content of the show? But no, they are attacking those that had important things to ay instead.. have lessons been learned? I doubt it.

notwhatineednow · 18/04/2022 10:55

The transcripts of the podcast are illuminating. There is some decent stuff there to be fair, but it's mixed in with some shocking stuff that undermines safeguarding plus a huge helping of gender identity indoctrination nonsense.

The podcast is aimed at 16+.

In the one on how talk to kids about porn a bloke says this:

"I know lots of people might happen to see porn a bit younger, and that’s ok, but do you know what the legal age to watch porn in the UK is?"

The context is that his 10 year old has newly got a phone and so may come across porn, and he's suggesting things you could say to a child about porn.

It is NOT ok that children see porn younger than 18 and it's extremely worrying that this is the message they put across.

Other questions they suggest you might ask your child include:

Why might someone watch porn?
When we talk about touching, there’s touch that we’re comfortable with and touch that we’re not comfortable with…what sorts of things make touch good or comfortable?
What might make touch uncomfortable?
How might people feel when they experience good touch?
How might people feel when they experience uncomfortable touch?
What is sex? How do people define it? How else could people define it?
If you did come across something that you had questions about, or that upset you for any reason, do you feel like you have someone who could support you?

This is positioning porn as a choice, and putting the responsibility for for finding it problematic onto the child, rather than explaining that it's porn itself that's problematic, and it's am exploitative industry by nature.

When I had a conversation with my 11 year old, after I discovered he'd been shown porn by other boys within weeks of starting secondary, I made it very clear to him that:

  • porn is not real, the people are actors
  • this is not what real sex is about
  • many of the women are being forced to be there and are harmed by what it being done to them.
  • The women are being paid or coerced to pretend to enjoy it, this is not what women actually enjoy
  • porn is not cool
  • criminal gangs are involved in running the porn industry.
  • watching porn can harm you. e.g. adult men and teenage boys who have watched a lot of porn have trouble with relationships and it can make them not be able to have sex properly
  • it's natural to be curious about sex, but porn won't give you truthful answers. If you want to know more about sex, you can read factual books about sex, and there also is a lot of teen fiction that talks about sex
MarchXX · 18/04/2022 10:46

[quote DomesticatedZombie]'The Egg' theatre have protected their tweets.

twitter.com/theeggbath[/quote]
So I see. I clicked on the website on their closed/protected twitter account, www.theatreroyal.org.uk/event/the-family-sex-show/ and found this interesting comment on the heading "you are what you say you are". I find this comment concerning and definitely a safeguarding issue.

Lovelyricepudding · 18/04/2022 10:44

NSPCC now tell children it is only abuse if they don't like it. Fits neatly in with 'pleasure based consent'.

Datun · 18/04/2022 01:34

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Good god:

twitter.com/ThisEgg_/status/1484595397456711693[/quote]
What the fucking hell is that?

dropthevipers · 18/04/2022 01:14

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Good god:

twitter.com/ThisEgg_/status/1484595397456711693[/quote]
I'm a 61 year old bloke, and I found that creepy as fuck. These people need their hard drives checked pronto.

LittleWhingingWoman · 18/04/2022 00:49

The NSPCC need to be on this immediately. Unless they are already in bed with them smugly smoking a cigarette.

NotBadConsidering · 18/04/2022 00:01

“In recent days there has been unacceptable threat and abuse directed at both the company and the venues hosting the production by a small minority, and in order to ensure the safety of the performers, staff and audiences, the show will no longer play as planned at the current time.”

Threats? Threats to call the police they mean. Why, whenever companies release statements like this, they just never say “sorry, we were wrong”? Like the NSPCC with rubber wank man?

Pathetic.

Absurdle · 17/04/2022 23:52

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Good god:

twitter.com/ThisEgg_/status/1484595397456711693[/quote]
I still have goosebumps and I switched that off about thirty seconds in, several minutes ago. There are no words.

What parent would subject their child to that?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 17/04/2022 22:51

@MrsDanversBroom

The arts council is publicly funded yes? So someone should put a FOI request in.
It is FOIable.

www.artscouncil.org.uk/sites/default/files/download-file/Freedom_of_Information_and_your_application_Oct2017.pdf

MrsDanversBroom · 17/04/2022 22:17

The arts council is publicly funded yes? So someone should put a FOI request in.

Coatandhat · 17/04/2022 22:11

And why the picture of an orifice amongst the arty figurines??

theDudesmummy · 17/04/2022 22:11

And that is the real agenda...PIE all over again...

Organictangerine · 17/04/2022 22:08

Basically trying to make out consent is a matter of pleasure rather than law - that if one enjoys the sexual activity (or doesn’t hate it) then it’s consensual, regardless of age. Its sick.

Lovelyricepudding · 17/04/2022 22:03

Using pleasure as a vehicle for consent

Go on, try it, you'll like it.

FOJN · 17/04/2022 21:57

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Good god:

twitter.com/ThisEgg_/status/1484595397456711693[/quote]
"and then we cover you on rules"

JFC, I feel grubby just listening to that; not sure if I should just rip my skin off or a shower will suffice.

Organictangerine · 17/04/2022 21:55

@tabbycatstripy

DBS checks wouldn’t help. Before you get your dick out in front of kids you might not be a sex offender. The issue (I assume) might have been that the proposed performers worked out that they might be sex offenders afterwards?
Absolutely but I’m willing to bet this bare minimum (and inadequate) safeguard wasn’t completed
AlisonDonut · 17/04/2022 21:54

That podcast? OMG.

BewareTheBeardedDragon · 17/04/2022 21:53

Thanks - sorry I really need to stop commenting when part way through a thread since I see I'm not the only me whose asked and it's been discussed already.

theDudesmummy · 17/04/2022 21:51

It means telling children if it "feels good" it is good. It means sexual abuse without repercussions.

tabbycatstripy · 17/04/2022 21:50

It means you should like what someone is doing with or to you, and if you don’t, you withdraw consent. All fine for adults.

But kids can’t consent.

DomesticatedZombie · 17/04/2022 21:49

I think it means 'try it and see if you like it' or 'we'll start and you can consent after the fact'