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A Detailed Look At “The Family Sex Show”

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Sazzasez · 15/04/2022 19:03

Just for clarity & in case anyone jumps at the chance to call me a right-winger bent on denying women reproductive rights: I’m a socialist agnostic who has protested anti-abortionists.

And I know a child safeguarding hazard when I see one.

Performances planned in Bath, Bristol and Norwich.

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HRTQueen · 19/04/2022 15:37

I’ve just seen my email CitizenGo great news

Thank you for those who posted links and raised the issue I think it was in AIBU first

MrsDanversBroom · 19/04/2022 15:32

@higherthanthat

Excellent news *@MrsDanversBroom*! So well done to you! : )
It wasn’t me, I just quoted an email I received!
MrsDanversBroom · 19/04/2022 15:31

@Organictangerine

Yes I think now is the time to ask questions about who exactly green lighted this sordid little ‘show’ and why they thought it was a good idea. Can we make a FOI request from the Arts Council I wonder?
Go for it
Bettygirl · 19/04/2022 15:27

Please tell me that doctor isn't advocating for a 12 year old being able to "opt in" to
consentual sex? Please tell me I have read it wrong and he's actually talking about driving?

Absurdle · 19/04/2022 15:26

Sure is interesting that all the anti-MAP people are TERFs.

He means that in a bad way doesn’t he? Ugh.

Long run, the strategy won’t be to persuade parents and fully grown adults that pedophilia is fine and acceptable. It will be to persuade easily-influenced teenagers and various vacuous types in their twenties, and join their voices to the voices of the many adult men who have a direct personal interest in seeing their paraphilia normalised. I think there’s precedent for this strategy working.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 19/04/2022 15:16

@Bettygirl

Those True Believes are also know as paedophiles. I wonder if they believe that there shouldn't be a minimum age for other things such as smoking, driving a car, buying a shot gun or is their liberal stance only concerned with adults wanting to have sexual contact with minors.
There seem to be a lot of that sort around, getting ever bolder on twitter.
A Detailed Look At “The Family Sex Show”
A Detailed Look At “The Family Sex Show”
Organictangerine · 19/04/2022 14:50

Yes I think now is the time to ask questions about who exactly green lighted this sordid little ‘show’ and why they thought it was a good idea. Can we make a FOI request from the Arts Council I wonder?

Rhannion · 19/04/2022 14:46

ThisEgg are rightly left with egg on their faces and the arts council England should be taking to task about how this was given the go ahead in the first place.

higherthanthat · 19/04/2022 14:30

Excellent news @MrsDanversBroom! So well done to you! : )

Rhannion · 19/04/2022 14:25

Great update, well done everyone who put pressure on.

tabbycatstripy · 19/04/2022 14:17

Good update.

MrsDanversBroom · 19/04/2022 14:02

Oh, I had an email from CitizenGo saying it had:

“The producers behind the Family Sex Show have announced that their exploitative and potentially abusive production has now been scrapped from theatres. The show will no longer go ahead in Bristol or at the Norwich festival and will only be performed to a ‘selected invited audience’ at Bath.

I just phoned the box office Egg theatre in Bath to see whether or not tickets were available to purchase by members of the general public and staff confirmed that they had been taken off sale.

This is a phenomenal victory and thanks to the almost 39,000 of you who signed our petition.

The producers of the show are unrepentant, claiming that the cancellation is due to illegal threats of violence and abuse from a ‘few extremists’.

Sadly, it seems as though the producers have learned nothing. There was nothing in our campaign that constituted either abuse or violent threats and we hope that any illegality has been duly reported to the police.

39,000 people is not a handful of ‘extremists’ either. This was thousands of ordinary mums, dads, aunts, uncles, grandparents and godparents, standing up in defence of children.
The show was never about educating children, but prematurely sexualising them. Children were being subjected to full-frontal adult nudity without their consent and introduced to inappropriate topics like BDSM.

The Family Sex Show repeatedly claimed that they had taken advice from child safeguarding experts, however the show contravened NSPCC guidelines. After they were contacted, the NSPCC also said that not only had they never heard of it, they also had no input into devising it

A number of CitizenGO members contacted me directly to let me know that they had also outlined the contents of the Family Sex Show to their local police force to ascertain whether or not the production was in breach of any indecent exposure or child protection laws, and that the police also expressed their concern.

It is a violation of children’s rights and boundaries for an adult to strip naked in front of them and initiate conversations of a sexually explicit nature.

The campaign was never about banning freedom of expression, but protecting children.

I had been been planning to step up the campaign today and had a number of offline actions planned, that will now no longer be necessary.

I will be watching developments closely over the next week however and will not hesitate to act should it emerge that children will be attending the private performance. The show has yet to confirm whether or not the performers who are so keen to strip in front of children have been subject to any DBS checks or what checks are being made on those adults who would wish to take children to this performance.

The campaign was phenomenally successful and picked up by a number of media outlets and social media influencers. I made two interventions on Talk Radio and BBC Radio Bristol and we featured in a number of excellent articles. “

Rhannion · 19/04/2022 12:42

That piece reminds me of that weirdo Jeffrey with the creepy voice and mad eyes.

Bettygirl · 19/04/2022 12:26

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Good god:

twitter.com/ThisEgg_/status/1484595397456711693[/quote]
Jesus that is creepy. Has nothing been learned from Saville? A guy being openly creepy and inappropriate around children isn't just a good ol' eccentric, he is a danger.

Rhannion · 19/04/2022 12:25

As an aside there is a thread on Scotsnet about filling in a questionnaire and it would be much appreciated if anyone on here from Scotland fills it in.

Rhannion · 19/04/2022 12:21

Sorry I just reread your comment and you have already seen that thread.
It’s worth more people on here taking a look at that thread.

Rhannion · 19/04/2022 12:19

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

From: www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

members of the 1968 movement and their successors were caught up in a strange obsession about childhood sexuality. It is a chapter of the movement's history which is never mentioned in the more glowing accounts of the era. On this issue, the veterans of the late '60s student movement seem to have succumbed to acute amnesia; an analysis of this aspect of the student revolution would certainly be worthwhile.

It's the dishonesty around this. There are repeated calls for hidden accounts in history and that there needs to be a way to archive and account for failed research as well as published research. There's a current thread about the SNP Education Committee that is based on a thesis that reproduces many of these ideas around children and consent to sex. Yet, it's all based on Foucault and similar without any acknowledgement of 'research' like this.

I've never found it again but I recall reading an outstanding essay about the social value of a shared sense of moral disgust. In an environment where the abuse and exploitation of children is still unseen or minimised and all too common, it's a provocation to this shared sense of moral disgust. This is not an area in which moral disgust is to be problematised or 'solutions' offered to educate people out of it: we need to exist in a society with strong safeguarding measures in which children and vulnerable people are protected from abuse and exploitation.

There is a thread on the Scotsnet section of Mumsnet at the moment about the SNP/Greens & their highly dubious actions re children.
Bettygirl · 19/04/2022 12:15

Those True Believes are also know as paedophiles. I wonder if they believe that there shouldn't be a minimum age for other things such as smoking, driving a car, buying a shot gun or is their liberal stance only concerned with adults wanting to have sexual contact with minors.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/04/2022 12:07

From: www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

members of the 1968 movement and their successors were caught up in a strange obsession about childhood sexuality. It is a chapter of the movement's history which is never mentioned in the more glowing accounts of the era. On this issue, the veterans of the late '60s student movement seem to have succumbed to acute amnesia; an analysis of this aspect of the student revolution would certainly be worthwhile.

It's the dishonesty around this. There are repeated calls for hidden accounts in history and that there needs to be a way to archive and account for failed research as well as published research. There's a current thread about the SNP Education Committee that is based on a thesis that reproduces many of these ideas around children and consent to sex. Yet, it's all based on Foucault and similar without any acknowledgement of 'research' like this.

I've never found it again but I recall reading an outstanding essay about the social value of a shared sense of moral disgust. In an environment where the abuse and exploitation of children is still unseen or minimised and all too common, it's a provocation to this shared sense of moral disgust. This is not an area in which moral disgust is to be problematised or 'solutions' offered to educate people out of it: we need to exist in a society with strong safeguarding measures in which children and vulnerable people are protected from abuse and exploitation.

Sazzasez · 19/04/2022 11:30

@Plasmodesmata

The cancellation statement says "information regarding the content of the show was made available to bookers before coming to see it". Is that true? I thought they hadn't finished developing it?
It’s not true.

Links to photos of the show in development were “not ready yet”.

They added a very patronising statement that if you’d be “more comfortable knowing more” there would be a document posted on 28th April... which is the day of the preview, and long after the tickets have been on sale.

Like the supposed link to the NSPCC, this is bullshit. And that in itself is a red flag: why lie?

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SolasAnla · 19/04/2022 11:19

It's a PR game now.
(And i suspect funding may depend on at least one "live" show.)

They are doing a show with invited guests.

Guests do a review.

Getting naked and taking about sex gets a "nothing to see here" review.

Or they manage to get a U rated show.
Actors don't talk about sexual relationships, don't get naked and consent is about how nobody engages in sexual activity (because the actors are talking in an age appropiate way to a 5 year old child).

Organictangerine · 19/04/2022 11:05

Haha! Their snivelling self pity doesn’t surprise me at all. Anything to avoid admitting there are serious safeguarding questions around the show. Much better to blame the right wing bogeyman.

DomesticatedZombie · 19/04/2022 10:58

Their Twitter account had many, many comments from people calling them 'groomers'.

I don't know if that is really 'threats', is it? Nor even abuse, just sounds like lots of people saying what they see.

Personally, I'd have worded it differently, as I think it's maybe slightly more complex than that.