Article on AGP by Lorelei

One of the differences between the gay rights movement and the trans rights movement (other than that the latter clashes with the rights of women and the former does not) is that the former is based on one underlying difference while the latter really seems to have a multitude of possible reasons (ranging from AGP to just believing that women are favoured and cossetted in the society (!)( and get all the sex they want) to gender dysphoria to misdiagnosed body dysmorphia to internalised misogyny in girls and internalised homophobia in both girls and boys).

The paraphilia explanation is one of those, and based on what I have read online it is not at all uncommon, especially as the reason why so many men transition in middle age. There is a site where men with AGP support each other in how to cope with the condition. Some have transitioned or are contemplating it while others manage it in different ways.

It's not something anyone is choosing to have and the sufferers should be viewed with the same compassion sufferers from all mental disorders deserve as the condition can destroy their lives.

But that compassion certainly does not extend to destroying the lives of others or to turning them into masturbatory instruments or to the destruction of women's rights.

So I am glad we can talk about it, at least a little, and we MUST begin to talk about another aspect of all this:

The pornification of the concept of 'woman', and how the use of porn where 'woman' is equated with "someone who loves being debased and humiliated and hurt in sex" is slowly beginning to affect what is happening in the wider society:

The rough sex defense, the assumption some young men now make, without asking, that all women would like to be almost-strangled while having intercourse, and my theory that the number of men transitioning due to AGP has grown because of the online porn called sissy porn.

I also want to know how almost every Twitter account belonging to trans identified young people has a Japanese cartoon little girl's face in the profile. She always has those impossible large eyes with a tear or two in them, and she is certainly not a depiction of an adult.

It sounds weird, but the porn and these anime ideas are mixed together now,.

Ohhh yuk ...

Reading within those links simply reinforces my opinion that even if changing room cubicles have lockable doors from floor to ceiling, they should never be mixed sex.

Recording devices can be so small, like the size of the end of a ball point pen, and any man, should he wish, could fix up the device in a changing room cubicle, ready for use when the next female goes into it.

You sometimes hear the argument that those trans women who have had their penis inverted would be ok in women’s spaces. -that they are harmless, terribly dysphoric, people, who need women’s support and understanding.

Men seem particularly keen on the idea that penises are so mighty it stands to reason that women would be terrified of them, so trans women with dicks should, on this view, not be allowed in women only spaces e.g changing rooms.

A lot of men also think a man without a penis is not a man anymore.

These are all very male, phallocentric views, while the linked article is a very, very good argument for why those who have had surgery should no more be welcome in women’s spaces than those who have not.

In fact, in my opinion, those men who have taken their AGP so far they have lopped of their dick would likely be worse in a female changing room than another man who made no claim to womanhood.

Any TW posting in these sorts of groups result in so many women going out of their way to congratulate them and forgo their spaces - why?? I don’t understand it.

Cool women. Status jostling as cool women and more open brained minded then everyone else?

Hoping that demonstrating a willingness to show disloyalty to your own sex class and align yourself with the ultimate unclothed Emperor's demonstration of patriarchy says something fabulous about your character?

There are 8 tweets in total, numbered 1 - 7 and 'End' ,

They got a bit muddled after tweet 3 - all linked to tweet 1.

It's this thread I think @TinselAngel https://twitter.com/womenstandd_up/status/1514856289964277760?s=21&t=aOPpbdbtyd8BZtK0ZD37IQ

Thank you for sharing this article. No one can say we're making this up - it's in their own words.

Have you got a link to that, Melroses?

There you go:

twitter.com/Women_Stand_Up/status/1514856289964277760

It's always seem very clear to me how prevalent AGP is and not just because of the overwhelming need to censor any discussion of it.

But, it has certainly taken these sorts of narratives for me to fully grasp quite how sex driven some of these men are. Every single thing in their lives is viewed as a potential masturbatory aid.

It goes an awful long way to explain the absolute explosive rage from some towards women who speak up about excluding them.

Sadly I did @Absurdle - I guess I was asking in a rhetorical way.

So if a woman is literally 'nothing more than a vulva between the thighs', how do sufferers of AGP who think this way deal with women they encounter in the world? Apart from the wives who may be suffering as trans widows, what about the mothers, sisters, daughters, coworkers? What if they are someone who has responsibilities including making decisions around policies for women, for example? It's deeply disturbing.

Before I left Reddit I noticed this sort of behaviour in groups which used to be typically female only (like actuallesbians, hair and makeup, 2xxchromosomes and many more).
There is an undeniable and obvious link with porn (check the profiles of many of the transwomen posting in these subs), yet they are still welcomed and rewarded by so many women.
It’s the same on fb. Any TW posting in these sorts of groups result in so many women going out of their way to congratulate them and forgo their spaces - why?? I don’t understand it.

Do they have any concept of a woman as a human being?

Did you see this quote? "To me, being a woman is to be a vulva between the thighs, nothing more."

I thought I knew enough to not be shocked. I was wrong.

What strikes me about AGP is that people who have it get a thrill because being seen as a woman is transgressive. It is, to them, being 'less than' a man and they get off on the humiliation of it. It certainly shows one kind of harm that gender stereotypes can cause - the whole lipstick, bubblegum lacy lingerie type thing that may or may not feature in the day to day lives of women. If it wasn't seen as shocking, 'sissy', 'effeminate', ie 'other' to the stereotypes of male experience, then it wouldn't turn them on. And that is terrifying - the way in which these men see women, just as props and fantasy fodder. Do they have any concept of a woman as a human being?

It's not women that are surpressing it PP, it's the MN admin.

Obviously a key focus on a website like this is going to be about how all AGP men are awful and what they make their wives go through, but I've seen this through a different POV.

I indirectly knew of a youngish heterosexual man (teenager/early twenties) who went through the full transition process, destroyed all family relationships in the process, but he thought the feelings he had were gender dysphoria. I don't know what position they're in now a few years later, but I fully expect regret will feature soon. I reckon if he knew it was AGP he probably wouldn't have transitioned. He was a confused and harmless individual, I wouldn't call him perverted (as seems to be a stereotypical view). I think about him being sold a lie, and the relationships broken due to it.

My feelings on the matter probably differ to most on this site, but I think it AGP needs to be publicised (not suppressed) as it will probably led a lot of men to realise that they have AGP and not gender dysphoria, and lead to a lot less damage and regret.

The trouble with the activism and suppression is that it leads anyone questioning their gender to seek the transition route, when it probably isn't suitable for a lot of cases.

Wow!

I do hope all those women who think giving up women only spaces is kind read exactly how that “ kindness” is repaid by men who think fantasising about being raped and mutilated is what us women love to do in the odd moments when we are not relishing every moment of our periods and blowing bubblegum bubbles with our girl chums.

Thank you. That ties in with a thread I was reading on twitter of a transwidow whose DH's obsession went from a bit of fun in underwear to blowing the family budget on surveillance equipment, to internet porn to starring in his own porn over 14 years.

It always needs to move onwards.

The problem is only people will only “know” what they want to know. It should be obvious after Jimmy Savile and his ilk just how vulnerable women and children can be to men’s kinks and fetishes but instead as per usual people’s denial prevents any action from being taken that might safeguard women and children.

That is because of men’s constant need to dominate women who speak out and woman’s need to pretend they are as good as 100% safe from men in this world.

Thank you for the link. I normally just lurk on these boards and gain info off some fabulous posters.
But felt I needed to comment.

Just wondering if we can have a vote
How many women fantasies about being tie up, dismembered, knifed in the stomach and gang raped 🤬
If these men think that what being a woman is , I'm lost for words.
Read bits out to my partner he's disgusted, he asked are these the same people who want access to female spaces , my reply was yes.