Meanwhile, in the Australian election …

Now this should have some impact!

wwos.nine.com.au/olympics/transgender-sport-emma-mckeon-laurel-hubbard-lia-thomas-katherine-deves-liberal-candidate-swimming/8e4dda67-6ec9-443d-8d3c-23a05f441c36

Thanks @Helleofabore I’m in country. I’ll try and look it up. A family member is staying who unfortunately would be extremely critical of my engaging on this topic so I need to find time.

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Does this link below not work for you? It is on YouTube for international viewing. It is the SBS Insight program. Otherwise, if you are in country, it should be on SBS on-demand from last night or two (not tonight obviously)

@Helleofabore bwhat should I search for to find the sbs piece? The fin review has covered it today and yesterday, fairly clinical pieces on the politics of it- whoever said it above was spot on. Paywalled so I can’t share. Today’s Aaron Patrick says they didn’t put her in there to win, but to gain traction in other electorates. But, moderate libs are not helped by this angle and that’s part of the reason they are coming out against. Portrayed matt kean as focussed on a future leadership tilt, see screenshot.
unfortunately the candidate put forward and replaced by Deves was a born deaf man. Caveat I don’t know his policies, but if they aren’t terrible I hope they find a seat for him, government and workplaces everywhere could do with more disabled people.
article finished by saying Deves is banned from speaking (not sure how that applies to campaigning) so don’t expect to hear a lot more ‘controversy’ from her!

I'm in the UK, but this article popped up in my news feed. I was shocked at the blatant lies!....
www.smh.com.au/sport/majority-of-female-athletes-support-the-inclusion-of-transgender-women-20220419-p5aehx.html

I wish her all the best. You have to be made of seriously strong stuff to withstand such an onslaught.

Sall Grover talked to Glinner about the situation in Australia yesterday. As here, it's a top down movement that ordinary people just don't know about. The Denton's guidance will only get them so far.

I know so many women who agree with her but are too afraid to say anything publically - I include myself in this to my shame. It will destroy my career and open me and my family up to so much abuse.

The hardest part is the 'strange bedfellows' situation. I can't vote Liberal, I can't vote Labor, I sure as hell can't vote Green (even though I agree with them on almost everything else).

I know Kath, I know how strong she is, but she is the first really to stick her head above the parapet and it is brutal and terrifying to watch.

I have to say - kudos to SBS, this was very good. They got very civil debate but it really made those appealing only to the emotional 'if I didn't compete as a woman I would have died' look as they are - males using females to female sportswomen's detriment.

And it is good to see Prof David Handelsman (Uni of Sydney) being so absolutely clear on this. It left Harper no where to go on it without Harper appearing to ignore the medical & scientific realities.

Thank's to Scomo's "captain's pick" a lot of light is being shone on this issue this election. I caught a part of a discussion on our local ABC radio driving to work this morning:

www.abc.net.au/radio/canberra/programs/mornings/mornings/13839916

(Naturally very pro-transwomen in women's sports! The discussion starts about six minutes in.)

Which leads to the front page of The Australian which holds the opposite point of view:

twitter.com/Bernard_Lane/status/1516560297062203394?cxt=HHwWhIDUrcPj84sqAAAA

... And back to the ABC, where the news hammered Katherine Deves's "transphobia" yet again.

The NSW state premier has backed her in a leaked message and the PM has taken a swing at those trying to cancel her for speaking out saying Aussies are ‘getting fed up of walking on eggshells’ for fear of upsetting people.

Those that tried to have her deselected have had to back down quite embarrassingly.

Shes on the front page of the Australian and the telegraph. The SMH are sadly full on smear but overall, she’s still in there.

I hope Katherine is OK. I see she's deleted her Twitter account and there appears to be a fake account set up which had a link to a gofund me which has now been closed. The k ives are really out for her.

Australia really is behind where the UK is so it is hard to watch it. But Katherine has jumped straight in with the sports issue.

It may jump start it to leap forward and to avoid 'no debate' as much. However, it is a long long road.

I suspect that the “quiet majority” are totally supportive of keeping sports single sex because they have children of their own, understand the concept of fairness or are women and don’t want to compete against men.

Deves has taken a real kicking in the papers but is hanging in there and Morrison has come out with a bit more support today.

Where comments are allowed there does seem to be evidence that some people are backing her on sport.

There was someone on a Facebook site I was on today even saying that once someone has medically transitioned, there are hardly any biological differences between men and women. I mean, do you read? Are you able to like, see things with your eyes?
And then at the same time she’s saying that trans women should be taking part in women’s sport but when I pointed out that most trans women had NOT medically transitioned, she was strangely silent apart from parroting “twaw” like a moron.

That’s exactly what it is. Sadly the media have done the old trick of “Deves wants trans people out of sports” when clearly the issues are so different to that.

I’m seeing things said on Facebook sites that were said on here a few years ago (it’s a small number, trans suicide etc) and it’s like people just haven’t stopped to think where self ID leads.
I guess we’re lucky in a way that (so far) men like Danielle Muscato etc haven’t made their mark here, but that does mean that people are taking longer to peak.

Yes ozgirl I think Katherine is being attacked by people who are not even aware of the issues. They are still only seeing things in slices and we know this is such a huge interconnected umbrella of issues.

Denton’s playbook is very much at play there, particularly since same sex marriage took so long.

Totally agree @Helleofabore - if they just read one international newspaper they would see the issue more clearly.

Gloriana that clip was depressing.

Has Samantha not actually seen Mouncey? She literally described a Mouncey example but with netball.

She has shown that she has no knowledge of the topic. They are really using the ‘only a few’ tactic because they seem to be too lazy to do the research.

I think that, sadly, Deves has possibly jumped the gun a bit in Australia. She’s almost campaigning on what she can see has happened in the U.K. and the USA and it hasn’t happened over here yet, so she’s getting a lot of stick and “TWAW” and “be kind” because people over here just aren’t aware yet of what happens when men can just identify themselves into women’s spaces.
It has happened a bit in sport but basically we’re probably where the U.K. was 3-4 years ago, there hasn’t been the push for trans rights and so sadly Deves is coming across as a little unhinged and as if she’s going on about a “non issue”.
Those of us who follow this issue from overseas can see why she’s saying what she’s saying but she’s getting a lot of push back from the handmaids (who don’t even know they’re handmaids!).

The ABC's political show Insiders - journalist Samantha Maiden misrepresents Kath Deves as arguing that "hairy men in dresses will turn up on the netball fields" while the male panellists snicker.

twitter.com/InsidersABC/status/1515476776612679680?s=20&t=nklI517EEzqipLVZ4RX0_g

@TheSandgroper could you explain your posts a bit more? I don’t follow.