Jess Phillips says a woman can't have a penis and that sex and gender are two different things

We do need to keep pushing. Now she has admitted that women are not the same as TW, we need to push for clarity on women only spaces. As are allowed for in the Equality Act 2010.

We need to start asking the Staniland question as often as possible.

I see it as an indication that not even Labour are stupid enough to not realise they're hurling the election away with both hands.

They're realising they have to hold their noses and make some voter responsive noises.

Which means either

a) they've been full of shit up to this point and have been shouting anti woman and anti safeguarding/anti reality/ horrendously offensive stuff they didn't believe in for political reasons

or

b) they are making 'we've seen the light' noises while reassuring Stonewall that as soon as they get into power they'll jettison all this and go back to full throttle down with females and reality and safeguarding. And are full of shit.

I'm not sure which is worse. But it's way too late to start pretending now.

‘Why is this treated as though it's the announcement of the Second Coming, yet Jess Philips is treated with suspicion?’

Because she has been engaged in this argument for years. She was on the Women and Equalities Select Committee. She heard evidence on sports, childhood transition and single sex spaces. She made recommendation to introduce self-ID. She isn’t conflating gender and sex; she prioritises gender over sex.

Johnson doesn’t.

All Boris Johnson has said is that biological men should not compete in women's sports.
Why is this treated as though it's the announcement of the Second Coming, yet Jess Philips is treated with suspicion?
Aren't they both right?
Aren't they both speaking with the elections in mind?

And I agree it does seem they're somewhat on the ropes with the actual issue of gender replacing sex.

I'm not sure if it's a matter of conscience or if it's some kind of convention but it's always been a free vote. She just shouldn't be fucking about with this, it's gutter politics and (as you can tell) it really gets my back up. It's not needed, or relevant, it feels threatening and it's plain wrong.

Ah. So you've got no bloody integrity Jess, and no common sense either, but you can make your mouth say anything you think might currently be in your personal best interests?

Way too late, and we're not that stupid.

She's going to wreck her knees jumping on and off bandwagons like that.

I’ve always thought so. It’s a matter of conscience, not right or left wing.

I don’t trust Jess Philips at all and these were carefully worded statements to make the general public think Labour is protecting women and single sex spaces when they are following the party line.

JP really does seem to like pretending she’s not that bright when it suits her with her disingenuous tinkly laugh and child distracting tactics: Ooh look, pretty butterfly. It is so patronising!

The abortion thing is frustrating. I don’t believe (particularly) in ‘advancing’ abortion rights. Why does everything have to be ‘advanced’ with these people? Why can’t issues be weighed up, with sensible arguments on both sides and (sometimes) a status quo maintained? A treatment is either safe and effective or it’s not. It was reasonable to give a free vote on the telemedical abortion issue.

No political party in England is threatening women’s abortion rights. To pretend otherwise to win the debate on trans rights is to dive into the culture war and start dragging the American religious right into the UK debate. Nonsensical.

‘is she wiling to now concede that we have a point and we aren't hateful bigots after all, that we have always said there is a distinction between 'sex' and 'gender' (whatever that is) and thus transwomen do not belong in female only spaces?’

I don’t think she concedes this. She’s obfuscating about the fact that she believes in “woman-only spaces” regardless of whether womanhood is determined by sex or gender.

This is what I find crazy making about this whole thing. For YEARS, gender critical feminists have been called nasty bigoted "TERFS" for daring to say things like 'transwomen are transwomen. They are male. They are not female. Women do not have penises." We have had to endure threats and ostracisation. And the other side was clearly saying 'Women can have penises because transwomen ARE women. Stop reducing women to body parts!"

Does she not realise in this interview that she has repeated gender critical talking points? She has made a distinction between women (who of COURSE laughs can't have penises) and transwomen who may have a penis. Does she not realise that is forbidden? And is she wiling to now concede that we have a point and we aren't hateful bigots after all, that we have always said there is a distinction between 'sex' and 'gender' (whatever that is) and thus transwomen do not belong in female only spaces?

I just can't believe it. It's actually anxiety inducing to have been cast as a villain for so long and then to have a TRA casually turn round and say 'oh yeah, of COURSE everything the gender crits have been saying is right and makes perfect sense :)"

Ok I think we need to give some praise here while still keeping the pressure up to commit to single sex spaces. At least the window is shifting back towards some sense.

But she can't say that only women have a cervix as Keir said that's forbidden. And what about Lammy growing cervixes in men? Where's he? They're going to have to do a lot more than a few tinkly laughs and handwaving away all their previous batshittery and toxic lies.

BUT - it's a sign they've recognised that lies and biology denial aren't vote winners so small steps and all that.

She isn’t changing course. She’s continuing to condescend to women about a complex rights conflict she pretends doesn’t exist, so she can take the opposite side to us and call us right wing.

She reminded me of Emma Watson in that interview with Paris Lee. What abortion thing was she talking about? She seemed to be saying women had debased the argument by naming body parts. Dies she still think transwomen are women? That is the slogan. Until I hear her say transwomen are transwomen I just don't believe her.

I can see your point. I just think we're going to have to let them change course after a hard stare, like cats slinking away from each other pretending they aren't backing down.

That clip was posted here:

Jess Phillips has shown us who she is www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4528387-Jess-Phillips-has-shown-us-who-she-is

She keeps saying "lol!! of COURSE I don't think that!!" which is the new