Jess Phillips says a woman can't have a penis and that sex and gender are two different things

Nope. Sorry Jess but far too little, far too late for me. She can pretend she hasn't repeatedly sold women down the river all she likes, we remember.

Anyway, she’s one person. To vote Labour, I’d have to want to elect Thornberry, Lammy, Creasy, Miliband, Nandy, Dodds and all the rest of them. People who think I’m a dangerous fascist because I happen not to believe there’s an objective and inherent thing called ‘gender’, and that it’s more important than sex differences.

I don’t write off the good JP does. I profoundly disagree with the position that self-ID is harmless to women. I support trans people’s rights to change their legal sex with a medical diagnosis of lasting dysphoria. But I disagree with her that the advancement of trans rights is progressive.

I can disagree with her on this issue (and others) and still respect and feel grateful for her work on men’s violence against women. This from Karen Ingala Smith is an example of a comment expressing disagreement that is not alienating.

It is the way people will write off everything someone does that is good/helpful, because they are not in agreement about this issue. I find it alienating and my view is it is self-defeating.

To have the names in Hansard it has to be read by an MP.

I see, I didn't realise that. I am glad the names are read out.

[quote ResisterRex]How Karen Ingala-Smith was treated by Labour:

kareningalasmith.com/category/labour-party/[/quote]
Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. The Labour Party aren't fit to clean her boots.

Karen, meanwhile, is far more gracious than I am:

'Jess Phillips does important work on domestic violence and abuse in her role as an MP. I am particularly grateful to her for reading the names of all women killed by men (collected by me), on International Women’s Day every year for the last four years. I know this means a lot to many of the friends and families of women killed and I feel so very honoured to have played a role in getting their names recorded in Hansard. However, I strongly disagree with the opinions she expressed in Mumsnet and Penis News interviews. I also believe that some of the critique (at best), trolling and the death threats she has received are rooted in sexism and misogyny. It reeks. I can disagree with her on this issue (and others) and still respect and feel grateful for her work on men’s violence against women.

Sitting firmly on the fence, and that isn't good enough for me.
I want a party that is actually going to protect women's rights, not acknowledge how important they are then give them away.

The Tory party made a huge mistake when they proposed self ID as part of reforming the GRA. When they realised their mistake they backtracked. The only thing that Johnson's remarks have done for me is to reassure me that the Conservatives are not going to introduce self ID.

The Labour party were told it was a mistake but they doubled down. Now they have actually realised its a mistake which may have consequences at the ballot box they are speaking out of both sides of their mouth in the hope we will be fooled.

What matters to me now is clawing back what we have lost. I have great respect and admiration for the posters here who talk of golden bridges but for me the abuse if women is unforgivable. I do not aspire to feel like the grown up who wants to negotiate a win/win and give some of the most egregious offenders an out. It never makes me feel like I've been mature, it makes me feel like I have colluded in the theft of women's rights. It feels like further exploitation of female socialisation; women making compromises to make sure everyone gets a little of what they want. Giving an inch in the hope of retaining the rest of the yard doesn't seem to work. I'm firmly in the camp of belligerent resistance. I am not placated by mealy mouthed statements which have come far too late.

They can all fuck off.

The fence post is so far up her arse it is coming out of her nose.

Still don't trust them.

What's that saying? It's a day late, and a dollar short.

How Karen Ingala-Smith was treated by Labour:

kareningalasmith.com/category/labour-party/

And why can't Karen Ingala Smith read them out?

I've been listening to Jess on this topic for years. She's not sincere. Performative outrage. Performative laughter. I know she's a politician; I know this is how they often work.

I guess I find it doubly disappointing that she does have knowledge of the sector and is aware of VAWG and male violence and must understand the issues - yet won't discuss them sincerely. I would have far more respect for her, even if I disagreed, if I felt she was being straightforward and honourable.

I just don't find she has a shred of integrity, I'm afraid.

‘it is just so alienating.’

What is?

@DomesticatedZombie Yes, it would be better is they weren't read out, I'm sure

This is what I mean - it is just so alienating.

I can't say I see Jess' reading out a list as equivalent, to be honest.

Labour's position has now become:

Sex and gender are different.
Women matter.
TWAW and women have to shut up and be kind.

The first two are what's changed; the last conclusion is exactly 100% the same.

Until they say exactly what Boris said last week, they can FO.

Jess Phillips has done a lot to try to prioritise the victims of domestic violence and I am glad she reads out those names every year in parliament.

I feel so alienated by both sides of this debate.

I agree with all of you saying this is disengenuous bullshit and she can FOTTFSOF.

We're not stupid, Jess.