Page 3 | Jess Phillips says a woman can't have a penis and that sex and gender are two different things

bellinisurge · 2022-04-14T18:33:17+00:00

Here https://twitter.com/talktv/status/1514542152885452804?s=21&t=g7M6M2EAFww7ZBC6MK5mFQ Will she get a back lash for this, I wonder?

Artichokeleaves · 15/04/2022 12:27

And you really have to wonder about someone who cannot find anything to beef about in what's being said, so has to whittle about it not being said sweetly enough.

Again, I say fuck that.

Artichokeleaves · 15/04/2022 12:26

Here we go. Women, you may have opinions only after you've been sufficiently naice and polite enough to be permitted to be heard.

Otherwise Daddy shall be very disappointed and shall sadly have to deny you equality and civil rights for being silly girls.

Fuck that.

Some posters would be happier on the Times Comments where they can scold women and misogynise to their little hearts' content. Here we do women's rights. Help or get out of the way.

FOJN · 15/04/2022 12:24

How asking a person why they do swear, equate to trying to control the behaviour ?

I am not obliged to moderate my language for your benefit and I do not owe you an explanation for the words I choose to use.

You have taken up quite enough space derailing this thread. I will not be responding again.

Hawkins001 · 15/04/2022 12:22

@bellinisurge

"I already admitted I stand corrected on the swearing point, and my intentions were just asking posters why they curse and heckle, rather than engage with the ops question."

I'm the op. I don't mind a bit of fucking swearing. This shit tries the patience of a saint.

Fair point op, hope you have a productive, and insightful debate overall, apologies for any inconvenience on my part.

Although to all, how is asking why you do x behaviour equate to trying to control x behaviour ?

BordoisAgain · 15/04/2022 12:18

So no opinion of your own the hawkins you're just here to police what others are saying. Gotcha 👍

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bellinisurge · 15/04/2022 12:15

"I already admitted I stand corrected on the swearing point, and my intentions were just asking posters why they curse and heckle, rather than engage with the ops question."

I'm the op. I don't mind a bit of fucking swearing. This shit tries the patience of a saint.

OP posts:

Sillydoggy · 15/04/2022 12:15

I don't think there is any u turning, unfortunately. I think that Labour believe they can con women into thinking they have changed by these small linguistic concessions. People like JP are definitely being sanctioned to say there is a difference between sex and gender but at no point is anyone in Labour (xpt for Rosie Duffield) saying sex is more important than gender and single sex spaces are for one sex only.

This is just smoke and mirrors.

carefullycourageous · 15/04/2022 12:12

Ah the slow uturn

In politics people are always changing positions.

What concerns me is this issue is getting wrapped up in Johnson's culture wars and that's not good.

Absurdle · 15/04/2022 12:11

@ResisterRex

My worry is this shadow cabinet change their tune ONLY to get elected.Then it’s as you were.

This is what will happen. I ain't falling for it.

They aren't even changing their tune are they? Just slightly less brazing about it.

("Brazing" is a great word! My brain interprets it as a cross between brazen and abrasive - the TRA who invented it was, as always, projecting.)

RedToothBrush · 15/04/2022 12:07

Ah the slow uturn

Encourage it even if its fucking annoying and you know shes no spine and was happy to throw women under the bus.

Give her room to get to the point where she fully is reverse ferretting.

Unfortunately shes probably going to stay an mp for the forseeable, but Id rather she was suddenly realising the line she was taking was an utter crock of shit rather than her doubling down like some.

Hawkins001 · 15/04/2022 12:06

@Absurdle

my intentions were just asking posters why they curse and heckle, rather than engage with the ops question.

I don't know if this is genuinely a one-man quixotic anti-swearing crusade that of course focuses on the feminism board, or if the motivations for derailing are more familiar and only the form of it is different, but he's openly admitting his intention to derail the conversation here. For fuck's sake.

My swearing perspectives were originally debated on the threads of the head of mi6 and one thread on boris. And how exactly in your perspectives am I openly trying to derail a thread, when I'm just answering other mumsnetters comments ?

Absurdle · 15/04/2022 12:03

my intentions were just asking posters why they curse and heckle, rather than engage with the ops question.

I don't know if this is genuinely a one-man quixotic anti-swearing crusade that of course focuses on the feminism board, or if the motivations for derailing are more familiar and only the form of it is different, but he's openly admitting his intention to derail the conversation here. For fuck's sake.

Hawkins001 · 15/04/2022 12:03

@EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn

I already admitted I stand corrected on the swearing point, and my intentions were just asking posters why they curse and heckle, rather than engage with the ops question.

Sometimes it can be good just to vent before getting on to engaging.

I don't necessarily agree, but I respect your perspectives and appreciate your analysis.

Hawkins001 · 15/04/2022 12:02

@FOJN

Hawkins001

Go and start a thread on swearing on Mumsnet, you won't be the first person to feel the need to control the way women express themselves, but stop derailing this one.

How asking a person why they do swear, equate to trying to control the behaviour ? Please enlighten me with your thoughts, so I can understand better ?

ResisterRex · 15/04/2022 12:01

My worry is this shadow cabinet change their tune ONLY to get elected.Then it’s as you were.

This is what will happen. I ain't falling for it.

Hawkins001 · 15/04/2022 12:00

@Absurdle

at oxford was you taught subject-verb agreement?

My grammar is not the standard's it should be,

FOJN · 15/04/2022 11:59

Hawkins001

Go and start a thread on swearing on Mumsnet, you won't be the first person to feel the need to control the way women express themselves, but stop derailing this one.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 15/04/2022 11:58

I already admitted I stand corrected on the swearing point, and my intentions were just asking posters why they curse and heckle, rather than engage with the ops question.

Sometimes it can be good just to vent before getting on to engaging.

Absurdle · 15/04/2022 11:57

at oxford was you taught subject-verb agreement?

Hawkins001 · 15/04/2022 11:55

@BordoisAgain

So far all you've done is told other people how they should be posting. Still waiting on your well thought out analysis on the topic hawkins .

I haven't told posters, I ask them why, that's my difference, for me usually when I comment on x thread, it's to take part in the ops question or part of the discussion of the ops question via other posters, I don't see the point in just swearing for the sake of it, as at oxford, we was taught that it adds no useful information or debate to the subject matter at hand.

BordoisAgain · 15/04/2022 11:52

So far all you've done is told other people how they should be posting. Still waiting on your well thought out analysis on the topic hawkins .

Hawkins001 · 15/04/2022 11:52

@Absurdle

I don't need to police the threads as unless I'm mistaken, swearing is against mumsnets rules

You are mistaken, so I guess you do need to police the threads then? You'll be very busy; it's a big site.

Does anyone know if being the self-appointed thread police is against the rules, by the way?

I already admitted I stand corrected on the swearing point, and my intentions were just asking posters why they curse and heckle, rather than engage with the ops question.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 15/04/2022 11:49

I’m sure MN were using ‘the sweary one with all the biscuits’ as a strapline at some point.

Absurdle · 15/04/2022 11:48

I don't need to police the threads as unless I'm mistaken, swearing is against mumsnets rules

You are mistaken, so I guess you do need to police the threads then? You'll be very busy; it's a big site.

Does anyone know if being the self-appointed thread police is against the rules, by the way?