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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing

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ickky · 14/04/2022 16:22

The Tribunal will start on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

I have sent a request but haven't had anything back yet. Hopefully nearer the time.

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MissPollysFitDolly · 25/04/2022 10:46

Thanks to Georgia Weston for getting 'sex is observed not assigned' into the chat box.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 25/04/2022 10:45

nauticant · 25/04/2022 10:43

Abuse of the chat box has come up. That's sensible, it's a bunfight waiting to happen.

They should have learned from other proceedings that they need to announce about the chat and everything else at the start.

They need a separate facilitator to handle all of the tech issues such as muting random mics, stopping feedback etc.

WildIris · 25/04/2022 10:45

Placemarking

DelurkingLawyer · 25/04/2022 10:45

I agree @SpindleInTheWind re RMW. They have focused post transition on trans-related employment law, but have I think shown an unfortunate inability to disentangle what the law is from what they would like it to be. RMW’s had a good run of being counsel of choice in cases like this but I think the penny might have dropped that their unique perspective is not resulting in disinterested advice.

catandcoffe · 25/04/2022 10:45

actually just joined mumsnet to hear this case...been lurking for years on this amazing board.

SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl · 25/04/2022 10:45

Argh, why are they not muting people as soon as they join?!

Datun · 25/04/2022 10:45

How can anyone claim to be impartial if they are willing to refer to the entire female sex as "not men who think they're women".

SpindleInTheWind · 25/04/2022 10:44

I wonder if the Judge has had training from an organisation closely associated with Respondant 1?

nauticant · 25/04/2022 10:43

Abuse of the chat box has come up. That's sensible, it's a bunfight waiting to happen.

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 25/04/2022 10:42

Haha. Who was that asking Alexa?

SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl · 25/04/2022 10:42

If anyone is Jackie Holyoake, you have something over your camera so all we can see is an orange blob, but your camera's on.

SpindleInTheWind · 25/04/2022 10:41

Actually I think the Judge might not be doing SW and GCC any favours if he does let them spout their ideological language, given all this is going out live in front of a tonne of journalists, and SW and GCC will look partisan, in collusion with an ideology, and unhinged.

It will kind of prove part of Allison's point.

Whinge · 25/04/2022 10:41

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/04/2022 10:39

How can she possibly be objective if she casually uses language like that??

I was also wondering this. 😢

nauticant · 25/04/2022 10:39

IO for SW makes clear she wasn't intending to use "cis" in any case.

To be clear, when I said about EJ suggesting use of "not a transwoman" my impression was not that "woman" couldn't be used, but that sometimes "not a transwoman" might be the better term. Still a bloody awful thing to suggest.

Pluvia · 25/04/2022 10:39

I think we need to start collecting money for an appeal now. This judge has been Stonewalled.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/04/2022 10:39

How can she possibly be objective if she casually uses language like that??

Datun · 25/04/2022 10:38

Placemarking

WinterTrees · 25/04/2022 10:38

Is the judge fully on board the good ship stonewall, or just about 2 years behind on this issue?

Either way, it's not a good sign.

Pluvia · 25/04/2022 10:38

The judge has just used the phrase 'women assigned female at birth' without irony as if it's a matter of fact that babies are assigned their sex at birth.

My heart sinks.

Rightsraptor · 25/04/2022 10:36

Judge 'women assigned female gender at birth'. Oh horrors.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/04/2022 10:36

Whinge · 25/04/2022 10:35

The judge just asked whether "not a transwoman" might be a better term for AB than "woman". Uh-oh.

Wow. 😲 Just when you think you've heard it all.

🤦‍♀️ That worries me.

JulesRimetStillGleaming · 25/04/2022 10:36

Judge is fully Stonewalled up

SpindleInTheWind · 25/04/2022 10:36

Maybe Judge Goodman could channel a bit of Martin Goodman and call Allison 'a female'

nauticant · 25/04/2022 10:35

Rather bizarre discussion in which IO for SW was saying that if AB wants to give evidence according to her beliefs then other witnesses can do the same, implying they can refer to AB as "cis".

Whinge · 25/04/2022 10:35

The judge just asked whether "not a transwoman" might be a better term for AB than "woman". Uh-oh.

Wow. 😲 Just when you think you've heard it all.

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