Two women pregnant by Trans inmate

It makes me so so sad that these vulnerable women have no right to say what happens to them - they are utterly voiceless, we cannot hear their point of view and they are not being protected because men's feeling reign supreme. Who is speaking up on behalf of these women?

That didn't take long, did it?

Another bleeding obvious consequence to the lunacy that everyone sane saw coming from the start.

Guess which of the two sexes has all the detriment from this little experiment? Gosh. Not them again?

But how can they be “lesbian relationships” if one of them has a penis and impregnates the woman in the “relationship”?

Are you new to this? This isn't our argument it is the one that gets telled to us to explain why men are women.

Yes we know it doesn't make sense. But people have been banned from this forum for stating that men cannot be women.

Yes it is bonkers. That's what we have been saying.

I didn't mean what was The Mail lying about I meant as @NotBadConsidering says, what are the prison authorities and those that are imposing this top down diktat lying about?

They lie that men are women. Then they lie about the danger male prisoners, especially those who are convicted sex offenders, pose to women. So it's not a stretch to think they would lie to cover up rape that happened as a result of their own decisions. Is it?

My point was not that the pregnancies haven't happened, but that if you accept the report it is illogical to decide that the only bit you don't accept is the one that doesn't suit a particular agenda

You have misread that post. The post was not about what else the article could be lying about. It’s what else could the prison authorities be lying about, if they’re claiming - directly quoted - that the relationships were consensual.

Basically, we need to hear directly from the women, not the men publicly representing them.

The poster wasn't actually being serious merely quoting what a TRA would say.

We all know.lesbians do not and have never had or will ever have a penis.

This isn’t the first time

www.womenarehuman.com/transgender-detainee-who-impregnated-fellow-inmate-is-released-from-prison-to-prevent-further-incident/

How can women incarcerated with males ever freely consent- how can you possibly know that?

It’s such disgusting misogyny - there is no bottom to the hatred of women

No need to go to Cambodia to buy a baby, buy one right here from your friendly state prison, comes with US citizenship and full medical history.

Just following the US for profit prisons allowing male inmates to its ultimate conclusion.

No of course not. I should be clearer that I think calling these lesbian relationships is wrong and offensive. Think I need to get off MN for a bit I'm offending lots of people by doing the TRAs arguments for them this morning.

I have huge concerns with the staff thing these days. In the sense that I suspect many female staff will walk as a result of state sanctioned sexual harassment in the form of being made to search male prisoners. The removal of safguarding will also force many out. I cant see many of rhe ones who realky do care about the inmates and keeping them safe and looked after and rehabilitated etc feeling as if they will be able to stay and be a part of all this.

I am really worried about what the staff that now apply and remain working fir the system are like. I cant see any desirable staff openly applying for a spot where they have to do this to women. It can only go one way.

These women are on their own. Prison is suposoed to be the punishment..not rape. Not abuse from.staff..not being incarcerated with males etc

Putting men who just say they are women in with women (biological women) what could go wrong. Were they raped by these women with dicks (men) or did they want to become pregnant.

Why are men in women's prisons. It's wrong. Vulnerable women are the victims here not men dressed up as women.

The sentiment at the core of it is ' men will rape women anyway so this shouldn't be a barrier to letting them have and do whatever they want'.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3589644-Ruth-Hunt-men-will-always-rape-women

Utterly sickening.

This is outrageous

On that basis, how do we know that any of it happened? Especially given that it's the Mail. You can't pick the facts that are convenient to one particular agenda and reject the rest.

If you look at the bottom of the Mail article, it gives the source as this site:

www.nj.com/news/2022/04/two-women-at-nj-prison-are-pregnant-after-consensual-sex-between-inmates-doc-says.html

It quotes the Department of Correction's director of external affairs Dan Sperrazza, as saying: "It appears the women became pregnant from consensual sexual relationships with another incarcerated person."

If a real person is quoted, we can safely assume that the pregnancy story is factually correct. Sperrazza says that the relationships were consensual. We can't possibly know whether he is telling the truth about that or not.

I always think that, Corgi

Male guards may be an issue- and I’m not downplaying that but they will have been DBS checked (in UK) and a sexual offence conviction would rule them out, yet here sexual offence convictions are not a barrier.

If male guards wi thy convictions for rape were employed in female prisons I’m sure there would be an outcry- but not if it’s prisoners 🤷‍♀️

The argument is that these are lesbian relationships which aren't unusual in female institutions.

Surely they can't consent, seeing as their status is 'wards of the state'. The prison service takes responsibility for them whilst they are incarcerated. They can't make choices like using drugs or commuting suicide and the state has measures to prevent that. Pregnancy when locked up and denied freedom by it's very definition is rape, surely?!

No, the only human right that is denied to prisoners is the right to freedom. Using drugs is illegal in or out of prison, and the state has measures to prevent suicide wherever people are.

And this from a country that wants to force women to carry unwanted pregnancies. Horrific. Women really are just collateral, aren't we?

On another news article about similar, there were comments that it was ok because women sexually assault each other as well.

The other argument is that male guards sometimes assault female prisoners, therefore we are hypocrites for objecting to male prisoners in women's prisons. This is particularly vile because it ignores the actual problem - putting violent male offenders in with women prisoners - in favour of an ad hominem attack on those of us who are campaigning to support the most vulnerable women in society.

The logic seems to be that if male guards - who, I imagine, are generally vetted for previous convictions - are a danger to women, then we might as well stick in some actual rapists because it's all the same.