Boris or bust?

Until the other parties can get out of the grips of Trans activists and Stonewall, it’s Boris all the way for me. You’ve got to choose what is the most important issue and womens rights are the hill I want to die on.

If I was in danger of forgetting how awful the Tories are, the news that they are planning to send asylum seekers to Rwanda has reminded me.

I can't vote Conservative. But the self-ID policies of the other parties make it very hard to vote for anyone else either.

[quote GrammarTeacher]@LK1972 no, all politicians do NOT lie in parliament. It is against their standards. For decades that resulted in an immediate resignation (cf. Profumo). I have no trouble with trans women are women. I know most of you disagree. I avoid discussion on here generally now. However, anyone thinking voting for Conservatives is a good idea for human rights is in for a rude awakening.
I'm bisexual and have already observed that the so-called LGB Alliance is posting bi-phobia on line. This will not stop with trans people (not that this is why I defend trans people).
Regardless, Johnson is either inept, idiotic or both. This makes him an awful choice of leader. Regardless of his standpoint on trans rights. His history shows his he doesn't really do standpoints anyway.[/quote]
Interesting points, I guess the definition of 'lie' is the disagreement between us, which is the problem with this ideology.

You say TWAW is not a lie, but I think it is, and a highly pernicious one. Once you've agreed TWAW it's impossible to debate this issues, because the premise of discussion is a lie, imo.

I would be highly interested to any links of LGBA biphobia, as an also bisexual, if you have them handy.

I believe Boris, is inept rather than idiotic, but is less disruptive to the actual machinery of government than someone currently making an fool of himself due to inability to answer a simple question.

Which leads me to the question of who is he afraid of? Is it political, financial, what is it?

I'll not be voting conservative - I never will. BUT my vote no longer goes to the labour party or lib dems. I live in a closely contested seat with labour close to winning last time. But they're not getting my vote back until they start behaving like a responsible party rather than spouting thought terminating cliches like TWAW.
They're already on a very slight reverse ferret while desperately trying to pretend they're not. They're going to have to grow the fuck up and acknowledge the mess this has created and allow and engage in the difficult discussions to be had. Until they do that they can whistle for my vote back.

Well if he really cared he could have done something about it, couldn’t he. He’s done fuck all to make sure that males aren’t in Women’s prisons. He’s just sat back and very recently said a couple of things to placate people because he doesn’t really give a shit about the people this affects (DV victims, prisoners etc).

Meanwhile, his government is proposing sending vulnerable traumatised people crossing the channel to Rwanda. Including many women. And lots will continue to rely on food banks and have to weigh up whether to eat dinner or heat the house for their children.

Donald Trump was also anti self-ID. But then boasted about grabbing women by the pussy 🤷‍♀️

The real medical scandal in adolescent health care is the hideous underfunding of the CAMHS service. This is costing lives. There is a ridiculous waiting list for crisis support. It needs more funding and more trained professionals.
That is what Would swing my vote.

Completely agree, OP.

I will do anything to protect my children from this dangerous nonsense, so will do anything to keep Labour out. If that means voting tory so be it. This is a one issue sticking point for me, because of the catastrophic effects 'self ID' will have on our children's future lives!

I don't think it's a medical scandal. I know how long the waiting lists are and how many hoops people have to jump through. I have taught trans students and had some in my form.

@LK1972 no, all politicians do NOT lie in parliament. It is against their standards. For decades that resulted in an immediate resignation (cf. Profumo). I have no trouble with trans women are women. I know most of you disagree. I avoid discussion on here generally now. However, anyone thinking voting for Conservatives is a good idea for human rights is in for a rude awakening.
I'm bisexual and have already observed that the so-called LGB Alliance is posting bi-phobia on line. This will not stop with trans people (not that this is why I defend trans people).
Regardless, Johnson is either inept, idiotic or both. This makes him an awful choice of leader. Regardless of his standpoint on trans rights. His history shows his he doesn't really do standpoints anyway.

We are talking about the UK and self-ID hasn't progressed here in the way it has in other places.
Hasn't it?
Do we have any numbers of transwomen turned down for a GRC after champion of women's rights, Boris Johnson helpfully reduced the fee to £5 for them?

Making decisions based on extremes is not how to make good policy. The protests at the fuel depots are being policed. The penalties that Priti Patel wishes to put in would have harsher sentences than many regimes we judge as being repressive.
Conservative policies have pushed thousands into poverty. This is a far bigger risk than the non-risk you are worried about. Due to his decisions in recent years we have experienced over 100,000 surplus deaths. They were (the Conservatives not Johnson) of the issues with cladding over a decade before Grenfell. Schools and hospitals are stretched beyond all reason. That is what you are also voting for.

Or will we be variously described by our body parts?

If they can't say what a woman is in opposition, what the heck are they going to do once in power?

Yes, Boris is personally pretty despicable, but somehow connects with people and is not that unpopular, considering his sins. All politicians lie and are amoral, afaics it's in the job description.

The issue is with current Labour, the opposition they provide is inadequate, and they are far from ready for Government. This shit doesn't help, but is not the only factor for me.

If you think the right to protest changes aren't undemocratic and a real threat to society I don't really know what to say to you.
To say that it is a feminist decision to vote in support of Boris Johnson is dreadful. It's not a vote in support of women. The policies of his government have proven time and again to hit women hardest. Look at how he talks about Muslim women. Look at how he treats the women in his life. Have you forgotten about the police being called to his flat due to a domestic incident? Look at the handling of women's pensions.
Make whatever decision you want obviously. But don't pretend that this is a good one for women's rights.

If a senior politician is too craven to want to offend the likes of Owen Jones then how are they capable of making tough and unpopular decisions about public spending or an international crisis?

[quote Alcoh]@lakeswimmer you are right re rest of world but I thought we were talking about the U.K. and the Tory party in particular.[/quote]
We are talking about the UK and self-ID hasn't progressed here in the way it has in other places. What's the difference? Possibly the government although there may be other factors.

And at the moment Boris is the only leader who has spoken any sense.

Has he followed through with actions? Has he taken all penis and testicle havers out of women's prisons?

The Tories are removing the right to demonstrate. They're watering down the right to bring a judicial review claim. And that's just the beginning. Vote them in and they will do whatever the hell they want in the future. And women's rights are clearly a very long way down their agenda. I'm sure Boris would sacrifice his own granny for power or money. He doesn't give a toss about our (or probably his) daughters.